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ablanathanalba
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 8:13pm
Does anybody know if the trick Collins Key did on America's Got Talent this week has a name, or if it's something original he came up with? It involved some familiar ideas, one similar to something Jay Sankey uses in "Projection" and another from Annemann. The method will probably be obvious to most magicians, but it really fried the judges.
Video link below. (Sorry, you'll have to endure a 30-second commercial to see it.)
http://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent/video/collins-key-vegas-audition/n39017/
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 8:20pm
Just booked by Steve Valentine.
That said, that may have been the worst performance of it ever. There are such better ways to do this. Even with just 30 seconds.
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yachanin
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 9:27pm
Hi Nathan and Maddy,
It reminds me very much of a Docc Hilford's effect (TWM). I am, however, unfamiliar with "Just Booked" by Steve Valentine.
Regards, Steve
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 9:41pm
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On 2013-07-20 21:27, yachanin wrote:
Hi Nathan and Maddy,
It reminds me very much of a Docc Hilford's effect (TWM). I am, however, unfamiliar with "Just Booked" by Steve Valentine.
Regards, Steve
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Pardon, I was typing in a hurry. It is just the effect "Booked" by Steve Valentine. It is currently the thread right below this one but I'm sure it will be close by.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=500428&forum=218&33
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Robvs
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 10:01pm
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On 2013-07-20 20:20, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Just booked by Steve Valentine.
That said, that may have been the worst performance of it ever. There are such better ways to do this. Even with just 30 seconds.
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Disagree. I thought it was a spectacular performance to fit the time constraint. The addition of the envelope was wonderful, conversation continued in the appropriate thread (follow link).
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 10:06pm
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On 2013-07-20 20:20, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Just booked by Steve Valentine.
That said, that may have been the worst performance of it ever. There are such better ways to do this. Even with just 30 seconds.
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Disagree. I thought it was a spectacular performance to fit the time constraint. The addition of the envelope was wonderful, conversation continued in the appropriate thread (follow link).
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Well of course we all have our opinions. I know that if I were doing it (and I'm 16 as well so it's not an age thing) I would have come up with a much better presentation (I use two different ones in my shows. They both play spectacularly... Not in the SAME show of course) I think his presentational skills are very lack luster for me personally. Saying "I'm going to imagine ripping the page out and writing a word on it" and then closing your eyes isn't well thought out. Heck, it would have been better if he had even made one of them imagine it. There are much more visually appealing ways to handle this beautiful effect. I don't think he did it justice. Sorry.
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Robvs
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 10:13pm
Good enough to have people inquiring about the name of the effect...
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 10:17pm
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Good enough to have people inquiring about the name of the effect...
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Oh yes, you could perform this silent and people would wonder about the effect. The effect is genius. He just provides no explanation for what he is doing an it's not entertaining to watch. I won't be replying to anything else on this thread though. We already have one thread on booked 
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Robvs
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 10:19pm
I think that's the only thing we will agree on (posting in the Booked area)
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saysold1
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 11:32pm
I felt the same way Maddy - but then again he is on AGT and going to Radio City.
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 11:42pm
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I felt the same way Maddy - but then again he is on AGT and going to Radio City.
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I REALLY wanted to audition for AGT just for that reason. The judges see tons of illusionists so when someone does a basic double lift (two years ago) they go insane and love them.
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dooblehorn
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Posted: Jul 20, 2013 11:53pm
Was hoping he would not go through...he came across as annoying and obnoxious, and he apparently thought he was a lot better than he was...
Just my opinion...
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ablanathanalba
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Posted: Jul 21, 2013 12:18am
Thanks for sharing the existing thread for Booked. Will continue there.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=500428&forum=218&33
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Decomposed
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Posted: Jul 21, 2013 1:40am
I urge everyone to try out for Agt. Every year audtions. Its only 75,000 to compete with albeit, not all magicians and mentalists. Everyone gets a shot.
PS: He admitted he was doing a trick so its mental magic. I thought he did well and since they don't really want close up, he did better then well IMO. Plus he has the surfer looks that make him a heart throb. This will probably launch his career.
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Robvs
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Posted: Jul 21, 2013 11:33am
Closer to boy band than surfer. I have no problems with being a heart throb, but calling yourself one is a different story.
Nonetheless, he's great.
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jcroop
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Posted: Jul 21, 2013 12:02pm
I, too, felt that with just some subtle changes in the presentation it would have been much better. At the end, everyone on the panel just looked puzzled.
But he certainly gets a lot of credit for going out and doing it. And even if some felt the presentation may have been stronger, he certainly commanded a strong presence.
I wish him a lot a luck.
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Powermagic
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Posted: Jul 24, 2013 9:47pm
Does the last effect he did with the prediction in box have a name. I have seen it many times but the tube version seems commercial vs other similar methods.
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Martello
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Posted: Jul 24, 2013 10:12pm
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On 2013-07-20 21:41, Magic.Maddy wrote:
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On 2013-07-20 21:27, yachanin wrote:
Hi Nathan and Maddy,
It reminds me very much of a Docc Hilford's effect (TWM). I am, however, unfamiliar with "Just Booked" by Steve Valentine.
Regards, Steve
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Pardon, I was typing in a hurry. It is just the effect "Booked" by Steve Valentine. It is currently the thread right below this one but I'm sure it will be close by.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=500428&forum=218&33
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Seems like "Pegasus Page" to me.
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Jul 24, 2013 10:16pm
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On 2013-07-20 21:27, yachanin wrote:
Hi Nathan and Maddy,
It reminds me very much of a Docc Hilford's effect (TWM). I am, however, unfamiliar with "Just Booked" by Steve Valentine.
Regards, Steve
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Pardon, I was typing in a hurry. It is just the effect "Booked" by Steve Valentine. It is currently the thread right below this one but I'm sure it will be close by.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=500428&forum=218&33
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Seems like "Pegasus Page" to me.
Arthur
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Booked is a version of Pegasus page...
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Decomposed
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Posted: Jul 25, 2013 8:51am
Yuppers.........
Going to miss Special Head though....
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saysold1
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Posted: Aug 6, 2013 9:29pm
Any idea which envelope concept was utilized here?
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Aug 6, 2013 9:39pm
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Any idea which envelope concept was utilized here?
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Not sure what you mean... It's just an envelope.
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Robvs
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Posted: Aug 6, 2013 10:52pm
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On 2013-08-06 21:29, saysold1 wrote:
Any idea which envelope concept was utilized here?
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Not sure what you mean... It's just an envelope.
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No it wasn't. The envelope was shown empty at first. I don't want to talk too much about method but I'm nearly sure it was just a flap "two-way out" type of homemade job, similar to a change bag.
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saysold1
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Posted: Aug 6, 2013 11:06pm
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Any idea which envelope concept was utilized here?
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Not sure what you mean... It's just an envelope.
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No it wasn't. The envelope was shown empty at first. I don't want to talk too much about method but I'm nearly sure it was just a flap "two-way out" type of homemade job, similar to a change bag.
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Exactly - I assume it is similar to a 2 way force bag but using an envelope that seals the opposite side. I use and love Carlyle's bags, but have never played with an envelope before. I don't think it would be too hard to create.
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Magic.Maddy
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Posted: Aug 6, 2013 11:13pm
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Any idea which envelope concept was utilized here?
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Not sure what you mean... It's just an envelope.
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No it wasn't. The envelope was shown empty at first. I don't want to talk too much about method but I'm nearly sure it was just a flap "two-way out" type of homemade job, similar to a change bag.
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Wow! Sorry! Didn't even notice that!!
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paperinick
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Posted: Aug 6, 2013 11:38pm
The combo of book test + reappearing page (envelope) has been performed in the past on TV, I don't know if in the US though (in Italy performed maaaaaaany years ago by Alexander)
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Michael Dustman
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Posted: Aug 6, 2013 11:56pm
You should find the answer in Ted Lesley's fabulous book or DVD's
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saysold1
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Posted: Aug 7, 2013 12:24am
I was reading some old posts on Pegasus page and since I just got "Booked" last week (and LOVE it) - I am now thinking that I would rather present this as a mentlism influence piece whereby the appearing page was never there (in the book) in the first place. No need for a special envelope - the torn page could be held by a spectator from the beginning in a regular envelope.
These ideas were batted around some time ago I realize but I think this book test could be even better as less a magic trick... and more a demo of influence.
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Mindpro
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Posted: Aug 7, 2013 12:34am
I like the mentalism possibilities as well.
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Michael Dustman
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Posted: Aug 7, 2013 12:52am
Might revisit using Dan Harlan's Stash for the page reveal, where the spectator has been holding it from the get go.....
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