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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts 
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On 2013-09-19 18:14, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote: But you can cause mass destruction with a car in India. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHkRkwJvww
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On 2013-09-19 17:53, Bob1Dog wrote: Yeah, tiny is right. I'm on Firefox browser on a Mac, so if I hit Command+ a couple of times, it bumps up the font. Probably using Control + on Windows does the same. I don't think it's necessarily the case that as the population grows, income becomes more unequal; I think that depends on the organization of the particular society. It may be true of capitalist ones, but even then, I think there are ways to ameliorate that effect with different kinds of government programs. You make an interesting point about the mass murderers not necessarily being from the lower class; one of the points made by some of the people who write about income inequality is that the negative effects are not just in the lower classes but in the other classes as well; conversely, in more equal societies the levels of happiness reported are higher across the board. Here's some info on that if you're interested: http://inequality.org/happiness-and-inequality-study/
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts
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Another good read and the following is a telling quote:
"Americans on average, the three researchers found, have rated themselves happier, over the past four decades, “at times of relative income equality.” What explains this connection? Oishi, Kesebir, and Diener went digging into the data for the “psychological mechanisms” that could “account for the link between societal income inequality and individual-level happiness.” They feel they’ve found that link — in people’s sense of trust and fairness." I completely agree with this but I believe the trust and fairness issue not only permeates those of the lower end of equality but now the very heart of the middle class, who, in my opinion have those same doubts of trust and fairness. Again, look to those last thirty years of mass murderers. And it's also not surprising that the richest 20% of Americans don't feel any of this; why should they? They're still happy with their lot, presumably working hard to earn their incomes. I have no problem with this. Study hard, work hard, earn good wages and advance. It used to be the American way. Nice discussion.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts
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Lobo
You and I both know that guns are here to stay, and the mass murder weapons are the only thing that senseable gun law advocates ever talk about. Are you smoking old sweat socks again?
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts
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Mass shooting in Chicago:
"13 shot in mass shooting at Chicago park...3-year-old boy shot in face..." http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local......20.story
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts
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Perhaps there is something in the water that makes people become mass murders, but if there were no 30 round magazines we would make it a lot harder for them to kill so many unarmed bystanders?
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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On 2013-09-16 20:14, satellite23 wrote: Yes. That's it, exactly. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-09-20 09:40, Al Angello wrote: I'm talking about the ones who aren't sensible.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts
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The problem isn't guns. The problem isn't insane people. The problem is insane people getting guns.
But, no, we can't pass any legislation to try and keep guns out of the hands of insane people and criminals because it might infringe on other people's rights. That'd be akin to forcing people to show ID when they registered to vote... (I hope people's sarcasm detectors went off there.)
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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satellite23 Elite user 424 Posts
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I was just talking to a lady who said there were people killed in Chicago recently. Sad.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts
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Gun control laws have made a difference in Australia.
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ShirtlessKirk Loyal user 236 Posts
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[quote]On 2013-09-20 16:28, Pop Haydn wrote:
Gun control laws have made a difference in Australia. [/quote There are far too many criminals and guns here for gun control laws to have much of an effect. Criminals do not care and they will obtain guns no matter the consequences, there is nothing that can be done legislatively here in the US to curb the violence. Its a problem with the culture not the guns. |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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[quote]On 2013-09-20 19:23, ShirtlessKirk wrote:
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On 2013-09-20 16:28, Pop Haydn wrote: Well at least you're optimistic.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2013-09-20 16:28, Pop Haydn wrote: The "aborigines" have their land back? What's gonna keep the rabbit population in check?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts
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[quote]On 2013-09-20 19:23, ShirtlessKirk wrote:
[quote]On 2013-09-20 16:28, Pop Haydn wrote: Gun control laws have made a difference in Australia. [/quote There are far too many criminals and guns here for gun control laws to have much of an effect. Criminals do not care and they will obtain guns no matter the consequences, there is nothing that can be done legislatively here in the US to curb the violence. Its a problem with the culture not the guns. [/quote Well said ShirtlessKirk. 
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts
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[quote]On 2013-09-20 19:23, ShirtlessKirk wrote:
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On 2013-09-20 16:28, Pop Haydn wrote: That is crap. Where are your facts? Do you know what the Australian experience has been, or are you just spewing boilerplate idiocies from the gun manufacturers? Do you have any statistics or facts at all or are you just deliberately confusing the argument with stuff you have heard? What is the cultural difference between Australia, Canada and the USA? We watch the same movies, we hunt, we have legalized guns. Canada is more into hunting than we are...what is the cultural difference? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Hmmmm...Japan, and now Australia...I wonder what those countries have in common other than gun laws and related mortality rates...
Are guns legal in Madagascar?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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ShirtlessKirk Loyal user 236 Posts
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[quote]On 2013-09-21 05:04, Pop Haydn wrote:
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On 2013-09-20 19:23, ShirtlessKirk wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_g......_country US 94.3 guns per 100 residents Australia 15 guns per 100 residents The US is ranked number 1 Australia is ranked 43 (Mexico is ranked 43 as well but they have more gang related deaths than us or Australia, nearly 60,000 during Felipe Calderon's 6 year term) Removing those guns without violating peoples second amendment rights would be an impossible. Perhaps you are not aware on how easy it is to obtain an illegal firearm (automatics as well). Removing guns from the streets is as likely as removing drugs. Passing legislation does not make the guns go away. Making them more difficult to obtain will not stop someone from getting one if they want one just as drug laws don't stop anyone from getting any illicit drug they want. Guns are just a tool people are the problem. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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What are the demographic and geographical differences?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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ShirtlessKirk Loyal user 236 Posts
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303 Million in the US vs 20 million in Australia.
US- 31.95 people per square kilometer vs Australia 2.99 people per square mile. Apples and oranges as far a countries are concerned. Of course Australia has less gun violence they are tiny in comparison. New York city has close to half the population of the entire country of Australia. More people were killed by hammers and clubs than by rifle and shotguns in the US in 2011. Do you think legislation of clubs and hammers will lower the murder rate with those implements as well? Its fantasy to think legislation works in the US to curb violence. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri......table-11 |
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