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On 2013-09-28 00:01, Kevin Connolly wrote:
Hurricane season is very slow again. It must be that Global Warming. Not!


YAWN! Nobody is saying that human activity is the ONLY causal factor.
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Yup. Smile

Climate change seems inevitable in the course of universal events. For all kinds of reasons acceptable to me. I'm not so arrogant as to portend to believe I know or understand the reason why. Man made? Probably/maybe, contributing (ya'lls can argue that one, I don't really care). God placed us here to use the planet and our minds as He has gifted us, and how do we know the cycles of ice or not aren't part of His plan?

Yup, someday Manhattan may be under water; someday Florida may be under water, and some day my own Delmarva peninsula may be under water. Someday another continent may blow out of the Pacific Ocean. Get over it. Are some of y'all so bold to think you, or better yet governments, can control the planet? Hah. Have fun with that exercise. Smile
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Here is my problem with the Global Warming...oops..Climate Change.

If it is truly man made...

No matter how many regulations are passed WITHIN THE USA...
it will make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE.

Why?

Because China, India, Mexico and all the rest of the countries could give a flying rats ass what the Global warming bunch are saying.
They continue to ignore the "facts" or regulations.
And WILL continue no matter how much the activists scream.

American manufacturing is down to level that does not even compete in any fashion compared to the overseas gang.
Our amount of "Greenhouse Gases" are like a drop of water in a very huge pool compared to the BUCKET LOADS poured in by these other countries.

So go ahead and continue to believe that all of your !@#$%ing will make a difference but until good ol Barry and Company put the screws to these countries...
you better prepare for DOOMSDAY...that is if you manage to live for a few more thousand years...or next week depending on who you listen to.

Really think about this point as THAT is what should scare you ( Politicians talking the talk but actually not doing a *** thing to solve the problem)

Anyone out there who can get me a good deal on a HUGE boat??!!
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Governments working together were able to effect change on the ozone layer. China and Indonesia and other third world countries may be hardest hit by climate change, and may very well be concerned enough to make international agreements.
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Governments working together were able to effect change on the ozone layer. China and Indonesia and other third world countries may be hardest hit by climate change, and may very well be concerned enough to make international agreements.
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On 2013-09-27 14:20, Marlin1894 wrote:
. . . sceptical inquirers such as Donna Laframboise . . . .

I love this name: Donna the raspberry.

(Not name-calling, Danny. Just translating.)
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A fine translation.

I just wish the topic could be discussed and the hyperbole of Miami under water removed and doomsday scenarios gone and the extremes simple thrown out. What do you say to a drone

Problem is that if something MUST BE DONE NOW these are just people who don't care just so it is a big spending program. So where is reason? Again yet another important debate sidetracked by pure ideology. who believes next week you will need a glass bottom boat to visit Miami? There is no discussion to even take place.
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On 2013-09-27 14:10, Pop Haydn wrote:
"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said in the report that it is “extremely likely” human beings are the main drivers for the rise in temperatures recorded around the world over the last 50 years — the strongest words the panel has used to describe the effect humans are having on the planet.

“Continued emissions of greenhouse gases will cause further global warming and changes in all components of the climate system,” the IPCC report said. “Limiting climate change will require substantial and sustained reductions of greenhouse gas emissions.”

"More rain could pour down over tropical areas, and monsoon seasons could expand to include larger areas, striking earlier and lasting longer, according to the report. It is “virtually certain” that sea levels will continue to rise through the end of this century and beyond, and they said it is likely that the heat waves have become more frequent across swaths of Europe, Asia, and Australia.

“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia,” the researchers wrote in the report. “The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amount of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased.”

-- http://www.nbcnews.com/science/extremely......11274530



Thanks Pop.

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The sad thing is that when the Koch brothers OWN STUDY surprisingly confirmed AGW, that did't effect their efforts to undermine the science. They simply DON'T CARE about the effects on the planet - future generations can deal with that. Right now it's all about their profits.
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Here is the real truth....
The only "Green" in "Going Green" is MONEY!!!

Ask Al Gore. He got incredibly WEALTHY from his little campaign!
He is a SHAMELESS opportunistic fear mongerer who gets a FREE PASS as a complete hypocrite/Capitalist because he "Cares"...or is a Dem.

Ugh.

The fact is that it about PROFIT no matter what side you are on.
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AFAIK Matthew DeLuca has never taken a single university-level course in mathematics or science. He is a staff writer for NBC News.

Why in the world would anything he writes about the IPCC be worth anything better than lining a birdcage?
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Maybe because he was reporting on the contents of the IPCC report and not on his own research? Kind of obvious, don't you think?

Your post shows more desperation than irony.
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Bob hit the nail on the head. Big difference between a reporting on the contents of a document and offering critique or commentary.
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It appears that James Delingpole was also reporting on the contents of the IPCC report. I didn't see anything in the quote that indicated he had done his own research.
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Delingpole was using his own scientifically uninformed opinion to discredit the report. That is quite different from simply reporting on its content.
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On 2013-09-28 10:59, rockwall wrote:
It appears that James Delingpole was also reporting on the contents of the IPCC report. I didn't see anything in the quote that indicated he had done his own research.


Here are a couple of excerpts from Delingpole:

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At the heart of the problem lie the computer models which, for 25 years, have formed the basis for the IPCC’s scaremongering: they predicted runaway global warming, when the real rise in temperatures has been much more modest. So modest, indeed, that it has fallen outside the lowest parameters of the IPCC’s prediction range. The computer models, in short, are bunk.


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global warming did “pause” unexpectedly in 1998 and shows no sign of resuming. And, other than an ad hoc new theory about the missing heat having been absorbed by the deep ocean, it cannot come up with a convincing explanation why.


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Which leaves the IPCC in a dilemma: does it ’fess up and effectively put itself out of business? Or does it brazen it out for a few more years, in the hope that a compliant media and an eco-brainwashed populace will be too stupid to notice? So far, it looks as if it prefers the second option – a high-risk strategy. Gone are the days when all anybody read of its Assessment Reports were the sexed-up “Summary for Policymakers”.


Delingpole has gone beyond reporting, and has moved to the area of critique. He somehow knows that the models are "bunk"--he never says how he knows that. He accuses IPCC of "ad hoc theory"--but he provides no evidence for this conclusion. He definitely thinks that the IPCC should confess its sins and stop reporting, but again, provides no cogent rationale for this position. In short, he is making scientific conclusions that he (apparently) has no grounds to make.
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And Matthew DeLuca was using his own scientifically uninformed opinion to only report on the pieces that supported that opinion while avoiding reporting on any of the inconvenient portions within the report.
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Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and a whole lot of people on MSNBC do exactly the whole I am going to discredit it by acting smarmy and arrogant and it does not seem to bother liberals.

Is it only a problem when people you disagree with do it?
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On 2013-09-28 11:06, rockwall wrote:
And Matthew DeLuca was using his own scientifically uninformed opinion to only report on the pieces that supported that opinion while avoiding reporting on any of the inconvenient portions within the report.


Where does DeLuca editorialize or offer a scientific opinion?
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On 2013-09-28 11:10, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2013-09-28 11:06, rockwall wrote:
And Matthew DeLuca was using his own scientifically uninformed opinion to only report on the pieces that supported that opinion while avoiding reporting on any of the inconvenient portions within the report.


Where does DeLuca editorialize or offer a scientific opinion?


Where did I say that he did?
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