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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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2017 was one of the hottest years on record, NASA says https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/201......na838776 Quote: President Trump may have doubts about climate change, but a pair of new federal reports indicate that our planet’s long-term warming trend continues — and that 2017 was one of the hottest years on record.
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RNK Inner circle 7493 Posts |
"Record cold and snow have descended upon the planet this Winter and even in the summer in some places. The cold is spreading as the latest satellite data reveals that despite a huge El Nino, global temperatures are not statistically warmer than 1998."
The global warming “pause” continues. See: Death Of Global Temperature ‘Pause’ Greatly Exaggerated – 2016 Not Statistically Warmer Than 1998 & Despite new claims, global warming temperature pause ‘still going strong’ & The Pause Lives on: Global Satellites: 2016 not Statistically Warmer than 1998 http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01/06/r......-planet/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor......478a4c22
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I went outside this morning and it felt cold. It's supposed to be warmer tomorrow. At that rate it'll be hot by next weekend. Would you like to see a graph?
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jan 19, 2018, R.S. wrote: And yet, it was essentially the same temperature as it was 20 years ago in 1998. |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 19, 2018, RNK wrote: RNK, do you deny that NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information? Your first link is mostly just pictures of snowy places. That's hardly proof of anything. Do you realize that weather and climate are not the same thing? The author of your second link has no credentials as a climate scientist. He has a BA in Government. Ron
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 19, 2018, rockwall wrote: And your point? Cherry picking a year that was close in temperature to 2017 doesn't disprove CC. Besides, I thought you have already agreed that CC is real, no? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Climate is not weather, until it proves your position then it is.
Si NOW cherry picking data is bad because the other side does it. Irony is still dead.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jan 20, 2018, R.S. wrote: My point? That despite dire warnings of horrible things to happen from 20 years ago and the claim that the weather would drastically rise in the following 20 years, neither thing happened. I thought that was self evident. And did I agree that climate change is real? Of course! Climate is constantly changing. Your point? |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 20, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, do you deny that NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information?
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 20, 2018, rockwall wrote: See below for an assessment of climate forecasts and current effects. https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/ https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/weather-climate http://time.com/5030054/nasa-timelapse-earth-climate-change/ Quote:
Not quite. “Weather” is constantly changing. However there is a directional trend in the “climate” that’s the result of increased CO2 emissions. ron
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jan 20, 2018, R.S. wrote: If you are trying to impress me, I'm afraid that's not going to cut it. Try showing me some actual predictions from 20 or 30 years ago that came true. Something like this list of FAILED predictions: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/30/s......ictions/ Why should I believe predictions about the future when they haven't been able to get anything right yet? Quote:
So, you're claiming that climate was constant for millennia prior to the current rise in CO2? I also find it amusing how alarmists always should out, "climate is not weather!" whenever anyone points out current weather patterns and yet they are perfectly happy to see newscasters constantly blame current weather patterns on AGW. |
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On Jan 20, 2018, rockwall wrote: I can do better than 20 years ago. How about FIFTY years ago?: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswitha......c5aa6614 And yes, the weather trends are an effect of climate change. Not any given day’s weather of course, but the overall long term patterns. I always find it amusing how the deniers childishly pretend to “agree” that climate change is real, and then say “Of course - climate is always changing”. Anyway, do you think NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information? Do you think CO2 emissions in the atmosphere have ANY effect on climate? Ron
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
I can't tell if that was an answer to my question, "So, you're claiming that climate was constant for millennia prior to the current rise in CO2?" or not.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
My question is what temp are they looking for? What is the ideal temperature for the planet?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Https://www.climaterealityproject.org/bl......e-change
"World-renowned climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains why the bitter cold and snowy conditions gripping the US are “an example of precisely the sort of extreme winter weather we expect because of climate change.”" Makes you wonder. If Bitter cold winters are what we can expect from Climate Change, what would warm winters mean? |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 21, 2018, rockwall wrote: No, it was in response to “Try showing me some actual predictions from 20 or 30 years ago that came true.” I did better than that I gave you predictions from 50 years ago. 3b from this link addresses your question about a constant climate: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/ Ron
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On Jan 21, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: Good question Daniel. Most households can’t even agree on the ideal temperature of their living rooms! A complex ecosystem has creatures that thrive in many differing conditions. So you can’t just set the dial to one temperature for the entire planet. Anyway, rapid climate change will inevitably disrupt ecosystems. But personally, I like 71 degrees. You? Ron
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On Jan 22, 2018, rockwall wrote: It would mean… a warm winter! No one warm (or cold) winter or summer by itself is indicative of anything, but combine it with changes in globally averaged surface temperature, changes in atmospheric circulation, and long term trends in the size and patterns of natural climate variations, and it raises some flags. Atmospheric and ocean circulation patterns will evolve as Earth warms and will influence storm tracks and many other aspects of the weather. Global warming tilts the odds in favor of more warm days and seasons and fewer cold days and seasons. For example, across the continental United States in the 1960s there were more daily record low temperatures than record highs, but in the 2000s there were more than twice as many record highs as record lows. Another important example of tilting the odds is that over recent decades heatwaves have increased in frequency in large parts of Europe, Asia and Australia. So do you think NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information? Do you think CO2 emissions in the atmosphere have ANY effect on climate? Ron
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jan 22, 2018, R.S. wrote: Whatever gives governments less control. Even if I have to wear a coat. Why is it EVERY solution proposed involves more regulating, and more taxing? Coincidence? It makes one think that the real agenda is an ideology and that the earth is a secondary concern.
Danny Doyle
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