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2017 was one of the hottest years on record, NASA says

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/201......na838776

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President Trump may have doubts about climate change, but a pair of new federal reports indicate that our planet’s long-term warming trend continues — and that 2017 was one of the hottest years on record.

Global surface temperatures last year were the second hottest since 1880, according to an analysis by scientists with NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Average temperatures in 2017 were 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the average between 1951 and 1980, the year global temperature measurements became possible.

Only 2016 was warmer, according to NASA.

A separate analysis by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration pegged 2017 as the third-warmest year on record. The agencies said the discrepancy in the rankings was the result of different methods that they use to analyze global temperature data, but that overall, their assessments on the state of the global climate are in agreement.

Data from both agencies show that the five warmest years on record have all occurred since 2010.

“Despite colder than average temperatures in any one part of the world, temperatures over the planet as a whole continue the rapid warming trend we’ve seen in the last 40 years," Gavin Schmidt, director of the Goddard Institute, said in a written statement.

Last year was the third consecutive year in which global temperatures were more than 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit above late 19th century levels, NASA said. The warming is most pronounced in the Arctic, where the loss of sea ice continues.

Every state in the contiguous U.S. and Alaska had above-average annual temperatures in 2017, NOAA said. Arizona, Georgia, New Mexico, North Carolina, and South Carolina had their warmest years on record.

Scientists say global warming is attributable largely to the burning of fossil fuels, which releases carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Rising temperatures and the extreme weather events they're linked to are already having significant negative impacts on human health and productivity.

NASA’s report is based on temperatures monitored at 6,300 weather stations, along with sea temperatures measured by ocean-going ships and sea buoys, and by temperature measurements made from research stations in Antarctica, the agency said.
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"Record cold and snow have descended upon the planet this Winter and even in the summer in some places. The cold is spreading as the latest satellite data reveals that despite a huge El Nino, global temperatures are not statistically warmer than 1998."

The global warming “pause” continues. See: Death Of Global Temperature ‘Pause’ Greatly Exaggerated – 2016 Not Statistically Warmer Than 1998 & Despite new claims, global warming temperature pause ‘still going strong’ & The Pause Lives on: Global Satellites: 2016 not Statistically Warmer than 1998

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01/06/r......-planet/



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor......478a4c22
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I went outside this morning and it felt cold. It's supposed to be warmer tomorrow. At that rate it'll be hot by next weekend. Would you like to see a graph?
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On Jan 19, 2018, R.S. wrote:
New Report

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And yet, it was essentially the same temperature as it was 20 years ago in 1998.
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"Record cold and snow have descended upon the planet this Winter and even in the summer in some places. The cold is spreading as the latest satellite data reveals that despite a huge El Nino, global temperatures are not statistically warmer than 1998."

The global warming “pause” continues. See: Death Of Global Temperature ‘Pause’ Greatly Exaggerated – 2016 Not Statistically Warmer Than 1998 & Despite new claims, global warming temperature pause ‘still going strong’ & The Pause Lives on: Global Satellites: 2016 not Statistically Warmer than 1998

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01/06/r......-planet/



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor......478a4c22


RNK, do you deny that NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information?

Your first link is mostly just pictures of snowy places. That's hardly proof of anything. Do you realize that weather and climate are not the same thing?

The author of your second link has no credentials as a climate scientist. He has a BA in Government.

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On Jan 19, 2018, R.S. wrote:
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2017 was one of the hottest years on record, NASA says
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And yet, it was essentially the same temperature as it was 20 years ago in 1998.


And your point? Cherry picking a year that was close in temperature to 2017 doesn't disprove CC. Besides, I thought you have already agreed that CC is real, no?

Ron
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Climate is not weather, until it proves your position then it is.

Si NOW cherry picking data is bad because the other side does it. Irony is still dead.
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On Jan 19, 2018, R.S. wrote:
New Report

2017 was one of the hottest years on record, NASA says
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And yet, it was essentially the same temperature as it was 20 years ago in 1998.


And your point? Cherry picking a year that was close in temperature to 2017 doesn't disprove CC. Besides, I thought you have already agreed that CC is real, no?

Ron


My point? That despite dire warnings of horrible things to happen from 20 years ago and the claim that the weather would drastically rise in the following 20 years, neither thing happened. I thought that was self evident.

And did I agree that climate change is real? Of course! Climate is constantly changing. Your point?
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Climate is not weather, until it proves your position then it is.

Si NOW cherry picking data is bad because the other side does it. Irony is still dead.


Danny, do you deny that NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information?
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On Jan 19, 2018, R.S. wrote:
New Report

2017 was one of the hottest years on record, NASA says
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And yet, it was essentially the same temperature as it was 20 years ago in 1998.


And your point? Cherry picking a year that was close in temperature to 2017 doesn't disprove CC. Besides, I thought you have already agreed that CC is real, no?

Ron


My point? That despite dire warnings of horrible things to happen from 20 years ago and the claim that the weather would drastically rise in the following 20 years, neither thing happened. I thought that was self evident.


See below for an assessment of climate forecasts and current effects.

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/weather-climate

http://time.com/5030054/nasa-timelapse-earth-climate-change/

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And did I agree that climate change is real? Of course! Climate is constantly changing. Your point?


Not quite. “Weather” is constantly changing. However there is a directional trend in the “climate” that’s the result of increased CO2 emissions.

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See below for an assessment of climate forecasts and current effects.

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/weather-climate

http://time.com/5030054/nasa-timelapse-earth-climate-change/



If you are trying to impress me, I'm afraid that's not going to cut it. Try showing me some actual predictions from 20 or 30 years ago that came true. Something like this list of FAILED predictions:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/30/s......ictions/

Why should I believe predictions about the future when they haven't been able to get anything right yet?


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Not quite. “Weather” is constantly changing. However there is a directional trend in the “climate” that’s the result of increased CO2 emissions.

ron


So, you're claiming that climate was constant for millennia prior to the current rise in CO2?

I also find it amusing how alarmists always should out, "climate is not weather!" whenever anyone points out current weather patterns and yet they are perfectly happy to see newscasters constantly blame current weather patterns on AGW.
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See below for an assessment of climate forecasts and current effects.

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/weather-climate

http://time.com/5030054/nasa-timelapse-earth-climate-change/



If you are trying to impress me, I'm afraid that's not going to cut it. Try showing me some actual predictions from 20 or 30 years ago that came true. Something like this list of FAILED predictions:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/30/s......ictions/

Why should I believe predictions about the future when they haven't been able to get anything right yet?


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Not quite. “Weather” is constantly changing. However there is a directional trend in the “climate” that’s the result of increased CO2 emissions.

ron


So, you're claiming that climate was constant for millennia prior to the current rise in CO2?

I also find it amusing how alarmists always should out, "climate is not weather!" whenever anyone points out current weather patterns and yet they are perfectly happy to see newscasters constantly blame current weather patterns on AGW.


I can do better than 20 years ago. How about FIFTY years ago?:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswitha......c5aa6614

And yes, the weather trends are an effect of climate change. Not any given day’s weather of course, but the overall long term patterns.

I always find it amusing how the deniers childishly pretend to “agree” that climate change is real, and then say “Of course - climate is always changing”.

Anyway, do you think NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information? Do you think CO2 emissions in the atmosphere have ANY effect on climate?

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I can't tell if that was an answer to my question, "So, you're claiming that climate was constant for millennia prior to the current rise in CO2?" or not.
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My question is what temp are they looking for? What is the ideal temperature for the planet?
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Https://www.climaterealityproject.org/bl......e-change

"World-renowned climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains why the bitter cold and snowy conditions gripping the US are “an example of precisely the sort of extreme winter weather we expect because of climate change.”"

Makes you wonder. If Bitter cold winters are what we can expect from Climate Change, what would warm winters mean? Smile
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I can't tell if that was an answer to my question, "So, you're claiming that climate was constant for millennia prior to the current rise in CO2?" or not.


No, it was in response to “Try showing me some actual predictions from 20 or 30 years ago that came true.” I did better than that I gave you predictions from 50 years ago.

3b from this link addresses your question about a constant climate:
http://grist.org/series/skeptics/

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My question is what temp are they looking for? What is the ideal temperature for the planet?



Good question Daniel. Most households can’t even agree on the ideal temperature of their living rooms! A complex ecosystem has creatures that thrive in many differing conditions. So you can’t just set the dial to one temperature for the entire planet. Anyway, rapid climate change will inevitably disrupt ecosystems. But personally, I like 71 degrees. You?

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Https://www.climaterealityproject.org/bl......e-change

"World-renowned climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains why the bitter cold and snowy conditions gripping the US are “an example of precisely the sort of extreme winter weather we expect because of climate change.”"

Makes you wonder. If Bitter cold winters are what we can expect from Climate Change, what would warm winters mean? Smile


It would mean… a warm winter! No one warm (or cold) winter or summer by itself is indicative of anything, but combine it with changes in globally averaged surface temperature, changes in atmospheric circulation, and long term trends in the size and patterns of natural climate variations, and it raises some flags. Atmospheric and ocean circulation patterns will evolve as Earth warms and will influence storm tracks and many other aspects of the weather. Global warming tilts the odds in favor of more warm days and seasons and fewer cold days and seasons. For example, across the continental United States in the 1960s there were more daily record low temperatures than record highs, but in the 2000s there were more than twice as many record highs as record lows. Another important example of tilting the odds is that over recent decades heatwaves have increased in frequency in large parts of Europe, Asia and Australia.

So do you think NASA and NOAA are credible sources of information? Do you think CO2 emissions in the atmosphere have ANY effect on climate?

Ron
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My question is what temp are they looking for? What is the ideal temperature for the planet?



Good question Daniel. Most households can’t even agree on the ideal temperature of their living rooms! A complex ecosystem has creatures that thrive in many differing conditions. So you can’t just set the dial to one temperature for the entire planet. Anyway, rapid climate change will inevitably disrupt ecosystems. But personally, I like 71 degrees. You?

Ron Smile


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