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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 18, 2018, rockwall wrote: OK, so you DIDN'T get it from the link for NASA that I posted. Still not sure how you're getting there. Anyway, I think that's rather beside the point though. Quote:
Actually, the article that RNK posted refers to NASA. Do you or don't you concur with NASA's (and NOAAs) conclusion that 2016 was the warmest year on record? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 18, 2018, rockwall wrote: I'd rather have you demonstrate how 2016 could be both a year of record cooling AND the warmest year ever recorded at the same time. This is not a question of math - it's a question of simple logic. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On May 18, 2018, ed rhodes wrote: Which is exactly what you just did. Go figure.
Danny Doyle
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Then there's this guy -
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/r......vel-rise I wish they hadn't mentioned his party affiliation. This guy could be purple and he'd still be an idiot. And a congressman.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have come to believe being an iodiot is a job requirement for being a congressman. Of any party!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
What’s disturbing is not that this guy’s an idiot, but that he’s an idiot on a Science Committee!
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
On the plus side, all we have to do to combat the rising sea level - if it is rising, is to remove more rocks and sediment from the water than goes in.
Might even create a few jobs.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On May 18, 2018, R.S. wrote: I've always found math to be quite logical AND scientific. What, are you now a science denier? Do you deny that the chart I linked to is from NASA's website? Do you deny the data contained within the chart? |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 19, 2018, rockwall wrote: What's suspect is the interpretation of that one particular chart (and how it relates to the overall conclusion of NASA). As I said before, the headline in RNK's article screams "We Just had Two Years of Record-Breaking Global Cooling", when the truth of the matter is that 2016 was the warmest year on record, according to NASA. NASA, NOAA Data Show 2016 Warmest Year on Record Globally https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-......globally Quote:
Earth’s 2016 surface temperatures were the warmest since modern recordkeeping began in 1880, according to independent analyses by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). So again, you tell me... how could 2016 be both a year of record cooling AND the warmest year on record at the same time? And again, do you accept NASA's and NOAA's conclusion that 2016 was the warmest year on record? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Of course it is suspect. It disagrees with a liberal agenda LOL.
Danny Doyle
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
You know R.S., I’ve never had an argument with someone about AGW that needed as much hand holding as you do. It’s no wonder you have such difficulty thinking for yourself.
Tell you what kids, let’s review. First, R.S. complained that the authors of the blogs weren’t scientists so I pointed out that they were reference scientific reports. Next, R.S. complained that one of the articles only linked to other blogs so I showed him the links to the reports that the articles referenced. Next, R.S. insisted that we should only use data by NASA and NOAA so I showed him the NASA data that the article was referencing. Next R.S. complained that he didn’t think I reviewed the data, so I told him that I had and that it confirmed the authors claims. Next, R.S. complained that he didn’t understand the data. Next R.S. repeated his question on how the author could come to his conclusions and I told him that there were several mathematical possibilities but R.S. complained that he doesn’t like math, he prefers logic! (That was one of the funnier complaints.) So, now for the big reveal. (OK, not so big, it’s really quite simple but R.S. continues to have a problem coming up with the solution for himself so I’ll perform the simple logic exercise.) The author from the original article makes the following claim: “From February 2016 to February 2018 (the latest month available) global average temperatures dropped 0.56°C.” R.S. wants to know how this is possible given that 2016 is the warmest year on record. It’s quite easy and in fact aided by the fact that 2016 was the warmest year on record. It’s ‘because’ February of 2016 was so warm, due to El Nino that made it possible for the temperature to drop so much by February of 2018. February of 2016 was 1.64 degrees warmer than the base temperature used by NASA. February of 2018 was only 1.1 degrees warmer than the base temperature. That’s a .54 degree drop over the 2 year period for February. (The original article claimed .56 when it was written. I assume NASA changed the data since them as they like to do.) Even at .54 degrees, that’s a huge drop from year to year for a particular month and has rarely happened. So like I said. Simple math. Simple logic. R.S. thinks that by being so warm in 2016, it makes the claim un-proveable when in fact, if it had been even warmer in 2016 the drop would have been even greater. |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 19, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: Would you make the same sarcastic comment if it disagreed with a conservative agenda? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 19, 2018, rockwall wrote: Which, as I pointed out, was a cherry picked slice of a much larger data set that in the aggregate points to one overriding conclusion. Quote:
No – quite a few of the other links only linked to other blogs. Quote:
Wrong again. Where did I “insist” we only use NASA and NOAA data? I did say they would be among the very best sources of climate information, but there certainly are other credible scientific organizations out there. I referenced NASA for consistency, since it was mentioned in the article. Quote:
Here, I was referring to the NASA link I posted – not the one from the article. Quote:
My exact words were, “It's not clear how to interpret that chart.” And it wasn’t, given the headline of the article. Quote:
Seriously?? I complained that “I didn’t like math”??? So now you’re going to just outright lie?? Quote:
The article headline that screams "WE JUST HAD TWO YEARS OF RECORD-BREAKING GLOBAL COOLING", implies that 2016 and 2017 were each record breaking cooling years. Moreover, as I said, the article with it’s eye-catching headline is clearly designed to play down climate concern by cherry picking a slice of data in order to cast doubt on what we know about the climate. If Investors Business Daily is so fond of NASA and NOAA, rather than cherry picking the data, why don’t they just post this headline: NASA, NOAA DATA SHOW 2016 WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD GLOBALLY And link to this article… https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-......globally … since that’s really the relevant story. To use a baseball analogy, if a player (say, “Jones”) batted .420 for the season, would you run a headline that screamed “DON’T TELL ANYONE, BUT JONES BATTED JUST .180 FOR 2 WEEKS IN AUGUST”, and proceed to denigrate the media for “only” reporting that he had a record .420 year while ignoring that .180 slump? That’s how disingenuous RNK’s article is. It minimizes the larger story while playing up the irrelevant story. Rockwall, do you agree that human-caused global warming is occurring? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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do you agree that human-caused global warming is occurring? As I remind posters here every 50 pages or so, this question is an irrelevant distraction, allowing people to weasel in various directions. If you really want to understand people's agendas (or to be kinder, "point of view"), the question to be discussed is "If global warming from any cause were shown to be 100% true to your satisfaction, what if anything should be done?" No sense debating if it's caused by humans or not, if posters wouldn't do anything about it anyway. It's in the nature of solutions or non-solutions proposed that we understand what the agendas are one way or another.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On May 20, 2018, R.S. wrote: Let's try it some time.
Danny Doyle
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On May 20, 2018, landmark wrote: No. Agenda is the word. You are right. And that is the crux of the point. This is s proxy war of ideology. People have gotten to the point where they have a big government world view and believe anything they believe anything that furthers that view.
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
And I would suggest that there's a reason ("agenda") that publications such as investors.com and realclearmarkets are interested in such matters. Do you really think it's because they suddenly have the good of the planet at heart? Or maybe, just maybe, they have an angle that is about their profits full steam ahead, the rest of the planet be ***ed?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Why suggest it? It is true. You can't have a proxy war with only one side.
If you think I suggest only one side is driven by ideology I'm sorry. Both are.
Danny Doyle
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On May 20, 2018, landmark wrote: And I would suggst that there's a reason ("agenda") that so many institutions are interested in AGW. Do you really think it's because they all have the good of the planet at heart? Or maybe, just maybe, that's where all the big government grants and money are coming from and they have an angle that is about their profits, (see Al Gore as the primary example), the rest of the people of the planet be ***ed? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
And we have the proxy war defined perfectly.
Landmark the Alinsky tactics are getting old.
Danny Doyle
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