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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts 
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On Jan 26, 2018, RNK wrote: My last post showed how your last post was misleading. Your prior article referred to no consensus on the long term effects of cc - not on whether there was consensus on cc! Furthermore, I posted a link which debunks the "no consensus" myth. Did you even read it?? Simply reposting the same nonsense won't make it true. And you still haven't answered, "Do you consider NASA and NOAA to be credible sources of scientific information"? Do you think CO2 emissions in the atmosphere have ANY effect on climate? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Ever do a post without talking points?
Again I ask what is your endgame? It always seems to be liberal. We all know that playbook.
Danny Doyle
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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On Jan 26, 2018, magicfish wrote: The chart referenced in the link is suspect. The scale on the Y axis is different above the zero line from below it. The intervals should be consistent through the entire Y axis, but they're not. That has the visual effect of a less drastic temperature change. Anyway, the chart shows that between 2008 and 2017 the temperature did indeed rise by about .38 degrees, so Armstrong has to (and does) present some pretty specious arguments in order to claim victory in his bet that there would be "no increase at all". And then there's this: Minor myths: the Armstrong-Gore climate "bet" http://theidiottracker.blogspot.com/2010......bet.html Quote:
In 2007, Scott Armstrong proposed a ten-year wager to Al Gore -- no warming (Armstrong's prediction) vs. warming (Gore's prediction). Gore declined, saying he doesn't gamble. And there was no wager, so that was the end of it. Kidding! What happened was that it became a minor myth picked up by the likes of Intrade and followed on http://www.theclimatebet.com/. Denialists like to claim that Gore is "losing the bet," a claim that interested me because of the number of lies packed into a simple declarative sentence. I will delve into this at greater length later, but here is a thumbnail sketch of the fallacies involved that sentence: Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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On Jan 26, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, if you disagree with something I've said, or if something is inaccurate, just say what it is. And by the way, why is everything I say "talking points" and "agenda driven", but you never make that accusation about the other side? Why is that? And could it be YOU are working off a playbook? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Ok what is your solution? Pretend it is real. What is your solution?
Danny Doyle
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Jan 23, 2018, NYCTwister wrote: There are other forces unaccounted for in that equation. (Total cost / product life cycle accounting) Among others is habit or inertia, sometimes referred to as grand parenting or tradition. Whose tradition or grandparents? Recalling a post from a decade ago... Or what, you're gonna buy Coke instead of Pepsi...that'll show em. Yes, yes, sigh,  folks want both blockchain benefits and jubilee.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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On Jan 26, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: As I said before, it's kind of pointless to talk about solutions when we can't even get agreement that AGW is real. Some folks here still deny the scientific consensus on AGW. At any rate, I don't have a solution. Do you? Do you even accept the scientific consensus that AGW is happening? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Sep 27, 2013, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Maybe a graph of alarmist and personal comments over time would be informative. Climate change - as it happens - socially speaking. What do you think?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, R.S. wrote: Nice evasion. Keep dodging. I'll ask again what is your solution?
Danny Doyle
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, R.S. wrote: revealed word as handed down by the most scientific in the expensive peer reviewed journals ... or are you a denialist who needs to be shamed. And then claim a right to be forgotten? Dogmatism - suitable for dogs - not so helpful in rational dialog or decision making.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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Jonathan,
Given what you've seen, what path to rational dialogue do you think should be taken?
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: What "evasion"? I told you I don't have a solution. Do you? Do you have a solution to end world poverty? If you tell me you don't have a solution to end world poverty would I then be justified in calling that evasion??? Anyway, do you accept the scientific consensus that AGW is happening? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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If you don't have a solution why all the nonsense?
Danny Doyle
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Dr SH Elite user French Spirit in Sydney 425 Posts
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To say the truth , I am so surprise to find a thread of 190 pages where many people still debate if global warming is a reality or not. It is a nice piece of history, I can only imagine people in 50-100 years reading this thread with the same smile than when we read people debating if the world was flat or not hundred of years ago....
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, NYCTwister wrote: "toward" means we're not there - seems like defeatist language. Here are a few notions which have helped so far in rational dialogue here on this topic: To start - let's ignore personal and meta-commentary and put a focus on arguments, evidence and claimed warrants. Is a rational argument presented? If not what's missing? Next up - the stakes for us locally. Let's remember our context in the matter discussed. We are (USA) about 300 million people in a world with billions of people. Thought experiment: Let's just imagine we flipped a magic switch and suddenly all our cars and boilers, trains and trucks would run without either gas or emissions. That is, imagine we (all of us) simply stopped emitting carbon into the atmosphere. Okay what then? Really - what do we guess would be our local and larger climate in ten years, fifty, a hundred years? Are we supposedly discussing a large scale project to "sequester" carbon? Let's look at what's being proposed. Let's acknowledge some problems in arguments as offered so far. We live with many unspoken social issues involving long established practices which we seem to condone if not tolerate. In our social ecology they may be toxic... but such matters are out-of-bounds, taboo for discussion. Okay - let's not explore why we say we dislike nazis yet continue to offer money to storytellers and actors to depict such. We don't need to address the taboos. We can take a position about what to do with arguments presented with taboo content. Does evidence of taboos invalidate any conclusions presented? Does it contaminate the entire argument or just warrant a critical reexamination of the data presented? Last notion for this post - practical context. We live in a society with a multilayered market. Our market includes product, stock in company that makes product, options to buy/sell stock, bundled collections of such, and derivatives of those. We trade our time and efforts in exchange for those market items - our "good" for those goods. What is the good offered in an argument presented? What moral or ethical leverage is applied to what action, predisposition or imagined future? That's enough  ... time for dinner 
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, R.S. wrote: True. We can discuss related environment issues such as potable water supply and sustainable crops - or infrastructure stability.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, Dr SH wrote: Fanatic now you get to feel superior and the earth is still no better for it. Now the other side says the same thing about you because in 30 years we still exist past doomsday. So they feel superior and the earth is still under attack every hour of every day. And still no solutions. Go figure.
Danny Doyle
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, Dr SH wrote: Argument about whether the Earth is flat or hollow continues. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/th......ttle-sun
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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On Jan 27, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: Why is it on me to have a solution? Why don't you have a solution for world poverty? Is it always necessary to have solutions in order to even discuss important issues? Anyway, you tell me why all the nonsense. Why don't some people accept the scientific consensus that AGW is real? (by the way, do you?) Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Is it always necessary to have solutions in order to even discuss important issues? Solutions to huge problems are not like bubbling in an answer sheet. It's more like flying a plane. What is important is to head in the right direction and be willing to make course corrections as you go along. As you meet obstacles, or refine your flight instruments, you have to be willing to re-calculate your position. What is not so good is making the choice to continue heading in the wrong direction.
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