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What us your solution Ron?


Why do you keep asking a question that I've already given an answer to?

Do you accept the scientific consensus that AGW is occurring?

Ron


You have not answered this at all.


I did. But just because I didn't give the answer you wanted to hear doesn't mean I didn't answer it.

Do you accept the scientific consensus that AGW is occurring? (Yes, no, maybe, I don't know? Any of those would be an answer. But you have completely evaded the question)

Ron


I'm done playing silly manipulative word games.

Do you have a solution you endorse yes or no? If so what is it? What will it cost and what will the net benefit be?

These are the real questions you never answer.


It's funny that your second sentence contradicts your first sentence (because I've already responded to it more than once, so it's just more game playing on your part).

And then your third sentence ("If so...") indicates that you are aware (and willing to accept) that it's possible I don't have a solution - which is what I've been saying all along!

And speaking of questions that never get answered...

Do you accept the scientific consensus that AGW is occurring?

It's not a trick question. I just want to know. You could say yes, no, maybe, I don't know, or I refuse to answer. Which is it?

Ron


Since you have no solution do I assume you do not endorse one? If so then WHY DOES ALL THIS MATTER?


No, I’m not endorsing a solution.

And as I said before…

“what matters is that people have a healthy respect and appreciation for science, as opposed to a disdain for it. Embracing science is the first step in the rational decision making process.”


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And it is not a very good question. Do I believe climate change is happening? Do I believe man is causing it? Do I believe something should be done? Do I believe we can change climate by our actions? Or do I believe in doomsday? All those are implied or contained in your question or you try to slow walk through them because that is your style of discussion. It may have worked when you were in college and taught liberal think, but sorry it doesn't work that way with me.



I was never taught “liberal think” in college because… I never went to college!

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So is climate change happening? Of course, it always has and always will. Do I think man causes it? To some extent how could 7 billion or so people give or take NOT have an affect on environment? Do I think we can change climate by our actions such as limiting carbon emissions? In reality the truth is that the affect of all the killer policies Al Gore wants to enact will have a very limited affect on anything but our economy. Do I believe we should do something? I think yes we should stop polluting the planet. We only have one after all. Do I believe in dooomsday? Absolutely not. And I didn't believe in the other 40 or so that we were told were "tipping points".


Okay, very good. Thanks Danny. See? That wasn’t so hard, was it?


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You keep screaming this question with all the religious fervor of a guy who keeps shouting "do you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior?". Interesting.


Except we know that AGW exists.


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Interesting. Do you think cows affect environment?
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Are you equating scientific consensus with religious authority? ...if you accept the scientific consensus that ...


It looks (to me) like you are appealing to authority rather than reason - to the current politics of publishing and prestige rather than experimental data collected that supports a theory. It also appears to come from political agenda about public spending rather than scientific exploration of the world as it is. We live in a culture that has a political propensity toward expensive "End Is Neigh" causes. Let's use a little science and Bayesian analysis in our EIN discussions.

So fix the EIN (that's End Is Neigh) problem and then maybe we can go blame some villains for Anthropogenic crimes against nature or something. But don't expect to get too much traction around here since we've had at least two presidents who come from oil money and ... current political/economic interests. Smile

But in the mean time if you have some cleaner more efficient technology ... yes, please. Smile
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So if I hear you right we should ask be riding horses so it is fair? Got it.

Just the opposite. The point was that large scale changes in such matters do not happen without government action. To ask that the government keeps hands off is to keep us stuck with the existing technology.
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So everything should be run by the government so it is fair? You're talking about OUR government right?
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...for a government that actually responds to its people. ...



It does, in its way, as weighted by intere$ts - so how would you like our government to respond to us?


"I have been faithful to thee, Cynara--in my fashion."

Well the dollar sign says it all doesn't it?

Last I heard, democracy was one person, one vote; not one dollar one vote.

A government doesn't respond to us; it is us, or it isn't a democracy.

Instead of crazy workarounds (see Gore, et. al) or crazy planet suffocating fuels, we need to stop being in denial about who really makes decisions. That's the elephant in the room, and the mess it makes takes a lot of cleaning up; and just because some people may be denying its existence, doesn't mean that they and everyone else aren't stepping in it all the time.
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So everything should be run by the government so it is fair? You're talking about OUR government right?

I said nothing about being fair. Read again. I said large scale change doesn't happen without government intervention.
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... changes in such matters do not happen without government action...



That's interesting. How was government involved in developing our current or previous technology - building railroads, electricity generation, the phone system, ... our infrastructure?
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So everything should be run by the government so it is fair? You're talking about OUR government right?

I said nothing about being fair. Read again. I said large scale change doesn't happen without government intervention.


So fair isn't the goal?
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... changes in such matters do not happen without government action...



That's interesting. How was government involved in developing our current or previous technology - building railroads, electricity generation, the phone system, ... our infrastructure?


Dig we must.

Where did the land come from for all those railroad lines? The streets paved with trolley tracks. The workers imported by immigration policy. The patent offices and judicial system to sort out the cutthroats. The cities to buy electrical street lighting systems...

"Natural" monopolies granted to... XYZ utility.

And closer to home...ARPANET, military uses, national and international protocols, the overseers of the protocols, net neutrality...

All impossible without government action.
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So everything should be run by the government so it is fair? You're talking about OUR government right?

I said nothing about being fair. Read again. I said large scale change doesn't happen without government intervention.


So fair isn't the goal?


Fair is always the goal. That's what democracy means. It just isn't the point I was making with NYC T. The point is that nothing like energy policy--fair or unfair--can change without government influence.
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My lord life must really suck for you guys so oppressed in this non socialist country. Always crying and complaining. Which most socialist utopias won't allow.
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On the other hand, it could be said that that it sucks for some to live in a country where they have to listen to thoughts and conclusions of those they don't agree with; while being unable to counter those thoughts and conclusions because they have none of their own.

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Meanwhile, back on topic,

https://cleantechnica.com/page/2/

We're #10!!! Yay!
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My lord life must really suck for you guys so oppressed in this non socialist country. Always crying and complaining. Which most socialist utopias won't allow.

? If you were addressing my last post, again you missed the point. It has nothing to do with whether a country is socialist or not. Socialist or not, fair or not, energy policy doesn't change without government action. It's a fact, like gravity, not a proclamation of morality. It helps us determine how to proceed.
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Without commenting on the veracity of the claims, this should be an interesting source of infighting:

Pentagon: Half Of US Military Sites Threatened By Climate Change

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/01/pen......-change/
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Are you equating scientific consensus with religious authority? ...if you accept the scientific consensus that ...


It looks (to me) like you are appealing to authority rather than reason - to the current politics of publishing and prestige rather than experimental data collected that supports a theory. It also appears to come from political agenda about public spending rather than scientific exploration of the world as it is. We live in a culture that has a political propensity toward expensive "End Is Neigh" causes. Let's use a little science and Bayesian analysis in our EIN discussions.


It looks to me like you are avoiding the question. And the only thing I'm appealing to is the current science (What else is there to appeal to? Someone's personal opinion??). And again who said anything about politics?? And when did I ever make "EIN" comments?

You also tout "experimental data" and "scientific exploration of the world" and "Let's use a little science". Great! So, given your embrace of science, I'll ask again... do you accept the current scientific consensus on AGW?

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Without commenting on the veracity of the claims, this should be an interesting source of infighting:

Pentagon: Half Of US Military Sites Threatened By Climate Change

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/01/pen......-change/


You forgot to mention this -

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a611feae4b01d91b254278d

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/......d-119321
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On Feb 3, 2018, R.S. wrote:
...do you accept "The Current Scientific Consensus(TM) on AGW(R)" as more than a political product ?

No.
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On the other hand, it could be said that that it sucks for some to live in a country where they have to listen to thoughts and conclusions of those they don't agree with; while being unable to counter those thoughts and conclusions because they have none of their own.

Ymmv, of course.


I LOVE that people are allowed to express thoughts I disagree with. That is a great thing. Countering them is easy, but you don't like the conclusion so you either cry about it or be nasty and sarcastic. Sort of like this post. But for me it is GREAT to have disagreement. I just feel bad for those who wallow in self loathing and pity. Like those who go on vacation and seem to CONSTANTLY need to be here complaining.

I just feel bad because life is nowhere near as horrible and oppressive as some seem to think. I can't imagine going through life thinking the sky is falling and our country sucks.
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