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That last paragraph about wellbeing. Also water.
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How much energy wasted correcting unforced errors?
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On Feb 8, 2018, ed rhodes wrote:
If we could reduce oil use by ten percent, that would not be a bad thing. ...


At what cost?

@TW, what is an unforced error?
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On Feb 8, 2018, ed rhodes wrote:
If we could reduce oil use by ten percent, that would not be a bad thing. ...


At what cost?

@TW, what is an unforced error?



A better question is to what benefit?

An error that doesn't need to be made.

As examples, in this context, attempting to cut funding of research on renewables, and attempting to stop the coal industry from going to a well deserved grave.

Of course if you're a slave to those that bought you then doing such things is necessary.
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Still not clear about where the "unforced error" idea comes from in this context.

Who (or what) do you imagine has making an error? And what's the error?
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By cutting the funding the government will be making an error that it doesn't have to make.

This is, of course, my opinion.
Others might see it as a god thing.
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By cutting the funding the government will be making an error that it doesn't have to make.


public expenditure costs - what is the current return on investment?

btw, here's some other US Govt spending that might be explored: https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips......=tobacco
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Yeah, the government is/has been for sale.

As we went over before, until THAT changes nothing will on a fundamental level.
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Getting back to the ten percent objective ... what do you imagine would be the cost of getting more than twenty percent energy from the sun there? Remember that's a dessert open area with a small population, easy access to fresh water... etc. Then look at the story about India. What does that mean for us?
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That the one!

Thanks Jonathan, you're the BEST!
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About Tamil:
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Between climate change and reckless exploitation and pollution of rivers, streams and lakes, Tamil Nadu is staring at a bleak water future. At least 60% of groundwater resources in the state are assessed as over-exploited, critical or semi-critical , according to India's Central Ground Water Board.

In April 2017, Tamil Nadu farmers camped out in India's capital, Delhi, staging dramatic protests - stuffing dead rats in their mouths, stripping themselves naked in front of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's home and drinking their own urine - to underscore the intensity of the drought back home.

In June 2017, villagers in Tamil Nadu's parched Ramanathapuram district were protesting against a solar power plant - they alleged that more than 200,000 litres of scarce water was being extracted illegally from bore wells to clean the 250,000 solar modules daily.


And in the mean time - nuclear? http://www.worldstopexports.com/uranium-exports-by-country/

Wind? https://energy.gov/eere/wind/advantages-......d-energy and http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-12985410
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Statements made by the wind industry and government agencies commonly assert that wind turbines will generate on average 30% of their rated capacity over a year, it said.

But the research found wind generation was below 20% of capacity more than half the time and below 10% of capacity over one third of the time.


Looks like there's much need for improvement or scaling to generate the electricity we need now - never mind our transportation needs.
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If the fleas fornicate during the winter, what is the expenditure of one's full viability?
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If the fleas fornicate during the winter, what is the expenditure of one's full viability?


FINALLY someone who speaks Jonathan.
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... expenditure of one's full viability?


One viable flea? Most people expect a higher standard of living...with associated energy costs and drinkable water.
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... expenditure of one's full viability?


One viable flea? Most people expect a higher standard of living...with associated energy costs and drinkable water.


That isn't taking into account the "operative predilection fallacy". Arash Fereydoonis article in Yale Scientific Magazine sums this up nicely: "Allowing members to exhibit more flexibility to form partnerships, which in turn strengthens social bonds and reduces competition".

If we apply this to the human rank, you will see a minor exodus and generational stratification the likes of which even Isaac Trimble couldn't have seen coming if he was eating tea and drinking biscuits on the railroad.
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Https://energy.gov/eere/wind/advantages-......d-energy

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Wind power must still compete with conventional generation sources on a cost basis. Depending on how energetic a wind site is, the wind farm might not be cost competitive. Even though the cost of wind power has decreased dramatically in the past 10 years, the technology requires a higher initial investment than fossil-fueled generators.


Misdirection per rupee?
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If initial investment were the issue, there would be no nuclear power plants. It's not a matter of initial investment. It's not a matter of inadequate technology. It's a matter of government actions/inactions.
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IF initial investment were the issue, there'd be no cars, there'd be no electricity.
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