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alextheamazing New user 15 Posts |
Has anyone actually used the trick from Joshua Jay's Complete Course where he uses two ribbons tied together to "cut through": the midsection of a kid? if so, how does that work out for you, and do you have any tips on making it look authentic?
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themagiciansapprentice Inner circle Essex, UK 1381 Posts |
Use rope instead and build up the tension
turn it into a tug of war between two lines of kids, then position the rope correctly around the volunteer/Rev/Principal/birthday dad etc My current version tells the story of Daniel and the lions' Den using a costume, lion masks and lion puppet involving 10 kids
Have wand will travel! Performing children's magic in the UK for Winter 2014 and Spring 2015.
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alextheamazing New user 15 Posts |
How do you grab the center knot without letting on that's what you're doing? I'm having trouble making that look real?
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themagiciansapprentice Inner circle Essex, UK 1381 Posts |
Hold it in the palm of your hand
also look at alternative ways of doing this, I prefer to use a knot of thin thread to tie together the two ropes together. This can't be seen.
Have wand will travel! Performing children's magic in the UK for Winter 2014 and Spring 2015.
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Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
Eric C. Lewis has a strong presentation in his book, 'A Continuation Of Miracles' that was published by Mike Caveney. While the method is the same, Lewis added a frame which makes the effect look more amazing and turns it into a mini-illusion.
He also had a presentation in one of the early 'Abra' magazine specials, published in the 1940's where a girl plays the part of Miss Houdini, escaping from her bonds. Supreme Magic (went out of business nearly twenty years ago) produced a number of effects using this principle. If you can get any of their old catalogues, they should give you some ideas. Many of the old-time street magicians used a version of this trick with a borrowed man's jacket which had the ropes threaded through the sleeves and tied. Another version is known as 'The Lazy Magician" and was performed by Dante, Calvert and Blackstone (and me) in their full stage shows. My presentation started off with Peter D'Arcy's routine from his book, 'Children's Parties A Speciality' and developed considerably over the last thirty years. I've included it in my lectures and was stunned and pleasantly surprised when, last April at the Zodiac Magic Club, Harold Straker showed me a much better way of tying the knot.. It is one trick that can pack very small yet still fill a stage and lends itself to lots of business and gags. |
alextheamazing New user 15 Posts |
Thanks all!
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magicmanfrank Inner circle 1127 Posts |
Best use of this method that I've ever seen is by my good friend, Tom Jorgenson!
He uses this with ropes in his "Swami" Show that he does on the Fair Circuit. Announces he will "Dis-com-bobulate" one small child's arm! Awesome stuff! =Frank=
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Thanks for the compliments, Frank. I appreciate it.
The references above have got me excited...am always interested in seeing new or different takes on this great trick. Many thanks. I wanted to use just one kid in the trick, as I have a 4x8 deck in front of the stage that I perform on with the kids...3 kids is too many for thee space. So, I use the giant shoelaces...bright, long, sturdy, etc. I use the standard thread method, and have them hanging on the table so there's nothing hidden (except the necessaries). I have the child 'raise one arm like a chicken' and slip the laces under their armpit, then they close down upon the laces, tightly, 'to keep them from falling or blowing away'. From there I can do the necessary tie with one lace. I had to device a way to keep the laces separate in each hand, as you want them to be the same tightness when the penetration happens. To do this, right after the tie, I wrap the ends of that lace around the first finger of each hand,then reach down to grab the end of the other lace with the little finger of each hand. This way, when the peneraton happens, I can adjust the angle of the hand to make the laces both tight after the penetration. Anyway...it works great. My excuse to use the arm is that I am too old and tired to Discombobulate a whole kid, so I'll just discombobulate part of him. Hope somebody can get a tip or hint from all this. It's a great trick, whatever size you bump it up to.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
TARBELL, Volume one, Lesson 16, page 321 -- THE ROPE & TAPE PRINCIPLE MARK WILSON'S COMPLETE COURSE IN MAGIC page 258 THE GREAT COAT ESCAPE
The late ROY MAYER used this principle in his school show for eons! He got at leaslt five minutes out of it. Tarbell said it was in use 350 years ago. It's almost 100 years since Tarbell said that! --and, it probably was in use eons before the now 450 years!!!
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Zuke Veteran user 353 Posts |
Quote:
On Jan 2, 2014, Tom Jorgenson wrote: LOL. That's a funny bit. :) |
Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
Dick's post above reminds me of just how much good and solid material there is in Tarbell, often with full presentations form working pros. Certainly some of the patter is a bit dated but not so much that it can't be updated with a little thought.
David P. Abbott, in his Book of Mysteries published his version of the ropes through body. His presentation was so strong that many audience members believed that the woman helping was in serious danger. |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Interesting story about David Abbott! I've never had his book, so wasn't aware of his prescntation.
You prove once again, that it's the PRESENTATION! The EFFECT is what matters, NOT the METHOD! I don't use the LAZY MAGICIAN regularly in the show. (But,an extra rope to match the long Prof. Nightmare rope is always in the case.) With the four "silks" from the Sympathetic Silks, I'm always prepared for LAZY MAGI,though. BTW! The Lazy Magician meets 8 out of my 9 CRITERIA! Hmmm...maybe you've talked me in to using it more often!!!
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Jeff Haas Special user 929 Posts |
Tom - I just saw this thread. Those are great notes! Thanks.
Jeff |
dr34 New user Ohio 26 Posts |
Working on this today! The final photo in the book shows the ribbon in front of the kid's body, but if you do it as described, the ribbon will “penetrate” from the front, to the back. Right?
If you put the knot in the BACK, the grab is shielded, and the penetration goes from back to front. I think that way might look better. I had to work on the sliding loop not grabbing, as well. Need to research knots... One of those “easy” effects that I had a difficult time with. |
Russo Inner circle So.California / Centl.Florida / retired Florida 1165 Posts |
Two thoughts - about the above penetration- Kids show - asked for a BRAVE person- when Vol. came up - mentioned ,used to saw a girl in half- then you kid along -2nd idea- a Gospel one- person(child??) gets "tied up" in temptation - 1st Corinthians 10:12-13- says you can escape 'it' just a couple pennys worth?? Ralph
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