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Shy Regular user 133 Posts |
I already tried coin to shoulder a couple times, I load the coin, they don't realize, but at the end, they always figure it out!
i tried different ways to load the coin but it always end up the same way... this got me badly disappointed, I really want to do this trick but I don't know what I'm doing wrong ! if you could give me some advice that would be pretty cool, thanks |
Richie Larson New user North Carolina 92 Posts |
Without going to much into it, because I'm on my phone and I cant type on it very well...But, I would have to GUESS, that your problems are stemming from A.) Improper misdirection & B.) Poor Spectator Management. It helps to have a small time delay in there.. To sort of confuse them, or take there mind elsewhere so they arent able to put 2 & 2 together. Keeping the specs attention where you want it. A good trick though indeed, to work on your points A. & B.
I hope that this may help.. -Richie |
Shy Regular user 133 Posts |
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On Apr 4, 2014, Richie Larson wrote: I just found out that while loading the coin, saying something like "don't even move" while raising my hand up (i have them holding my wrist) actually helps out! I just tried it with my friend and his brother, it worked twice! (i know, I should not do it twice but I needed someone to practice). I was probably not doing proper missdirections. Thanks Richie |
Shy Regular user 133 Posts |
Guys, how do you reveal that the coin is ib their shoulder? I only say "look at your shoulder" or "it jumps to your shoulder" but I think it's kind of boring, so, what do you do once the coin is in their shoulder?
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seneca77 Loyal user Tampa Bay, Florida 201 Posts |
Shy, I had the trick performed for me several years ago by a very skilled magician. He borrowed a quarter and made it vanish, reappear, etc. For the finale the coin vanished completely. Both hands were empty. He asked me if I knew where the coin was. When I said no, he looked at my shoulder, frowned a little and, without saying anything, brushed his own shoulder with his hand. I was confused, but finally got that I had something on my shoulder. When I looked, there was the quarter. So he didn't actually say anything, but I was stunned. Didn't see it coming at all.
Good luck with it! - Bob |
Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Hi Shy, welcome to the Café.
I think in doing this people often realize quick enough that it was not magic that got the coin to the shoulder. It's sorta easy to backtrack once they get pass the immediate surprise of it, but that said... This guy is pretty good with it. Think this is about all there is to it, just got to get your skill & confidence up. Seems fairly easy to do and do well with some practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YKp3yvwLco Incidentally, this guy has a lot of good videos, really good thought out instruction.
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daniel116 Regular user 196 Posts |
I used to get "delayed caught" (just made that one up) all the time when doing the coin to shoulder, people wouldn't notice that the coin is there, but as soon as I revealed it they would figure it out. I stopped performing it, then, a few years later, I saw a performance on Youtube of Apollo Robbins doing the coin to shoulder and he was so relaxed and nobody had any idea how the coin got there, so I decided to give the trick another chance.
While practicing it, I remembered something that Gregory Wilson said about the coin to shoulder, I don't even remember where I readsawheard him say it, but he said that you can't just touch someone's body after you haven't had any physical contact with them through out your entire act, you gotta be "touchy" from start to finish, so they'll get used to you touching them. So I tried touching the audience more when I perform, for instance, patting someone on the back and telling him to come closer so he can see better, or letting someone hold something and touch their hands, just try to get them as used to me touching them (boy that sounds bad) as much as possible, so when I touch someone's shoulder he wouldn't even remember it. I have done the coin to shoulder a few times (not too many) since and it has always worked. |
Shy Regular user 133 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2014, Mb217 wrote: Looks good, gotta try it out when I master the muscle pass, I have been practising for several weeks and I can make the coin jump, but not high enough. I think that with good missdirections you can make them forget it or not pay atention to the move. It already worked a few times for me. I have seen Apollo Robins do it twice in a row with the same person and they still have no idea of how the coin got there . |
Shy Regular user 133 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2014, daniel116 wrote: Actually the first guy that I used to practice this a week later said something like "this guy made a coin dissappear and appear on my shoulder, you gotta see that!", what a surprise! I didn't get a "delayed caught" . Yes, I already read that about touching them somewhere on the Café, I always forget to try it. I say, place the coin in the right place, leave a good delay betwenn the load and the reveal, get away from them, let them forget you touched them, it has never failed to me yet. |
landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Greg Wilson, Apollo Robbins.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
OK, tried this today a few times as per the video, and it works like a charm…Just ridiculously easy to do. But though pretty easy to misdirect to make it happen, I still say it's much more of a surprise than any such amazement as to magic. But it was fun to see how easy it is to throw people way off guard as to things.
Honestly, this sort of thing has never been something of real interest to me, but I have always admired watching people like Apollo Robbins use these arming and disarming techniques so fluidly, and with such understanding and precision. I also think I've seen Eric Jones use this shoulder thing, but not to show the coin to an impossible shoulder location, but as a place to interestingly rest the coin until he needed it again. It was pretty clever, effective and well done.
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
Eric Jones also uses it for a brilliant body loading routine. Coin to wrist, coin to shoulder x3, coin to pocket etc. Fantastic routine with an application of paper balls over the head in it!
Magic like this is actually my favourite part of coin magic. Gives me a certain extra buzz when performing I include coin to back of hand (Greg Wilson) and to shoulder in my one coin routine and think it's a great way to get the spectator involved in a routine. My tips in addition to what others have said: - Really make them think it's in the other hand. If people backtrack that the coin must have been on the shoulder before, then they will assume it couldn't have been in the hand, so you need lots of convincers. For the coin to back of the hand, after I've loaded it, I do a "false transfer of nothing" before vanishing the coin (I push it into one hand so it passes to their other). That's a little extra convincer that the coin is still there. For coin to shoulder, I do a steal as I get them to hold my wrist (Gone from Bobo). I've never been caught on this steal and steals aren't found on youtube. They really remember the coin being in the hand. When it disappears, they are really shocked - that's powerful on it's own. - It then "travels up their arm to their shoulder". So I'm not just saying "look, it's on your shoulder", I'm framing it as if it happens at that moment. It goes with the general theme of the routine, which is the coin travelling through parts of the body, rather than vanishing/reappearing. - move them to stand in the right place by their shoulder before you commence the trick. It's a nice easy way to get "touchy" with them. - Let the moment settle for a moment, then move on! It's a powerful routine, but one that can be backtracked. After coin to shoulder, I do a flurry and end with a jumbo coin. When they recite the routine to someone else, it usually goes along the lines of "he made a coin travel everywhere, even my shoulder! and then he made it GIANT!" They don't get a chance to figure it out. Just like the sponge balls really - easy to backtrack that the balls must have been in their hand before. So you gotta move on to other magic. Even if the only trick they talk about is the sponge balls! I'm performing this routine sometimes up to 6 times a day, every day. I'm a teacher and just joined a new school where I perform on the kids during lunch time. This works on new people every time, and if any "regulars" are watching, they often see me load the coin as they know it will happen, and they always ask me how I vanish the other coin! Use a steal and you'll appreciate how much more powerful it is! I know I shouldn't repeat this trick in front of regulars, but I get so many requests of "show my friend your giant coin!" and they still never catch the finale Good luck with this. Just perform it an awful lot and you'll get a feel for it until it becomes second nature David (I always write too much in comments...) |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
But, they are GOOD comments, Cavid!
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Shy Regular user 133 Posts |
I saw Apollo Robins touch their shoulder a few times before doing the load, that's maybe a way to sort of mix their memories or something.
However, when this trick can be easy just like MB said, it's not that easy for me, because honestly I am not very good talking, I mean, when performing magic, my words are not really fluid and natural, even with a script, it's pretty hard for me, and that doesn't help me with verbal missdirections. It's probably because I get nervous. When I started magic, I started with cards, my doublelift were perfect, I knew awesome flourishes, I even had my own scripts, my performances were perfect in the mirror, I spent almost the entire days practising, but when I decided to show my magic to the world it was horrible, I could not pull a word out of my mouth, my hands were shaking, I mean, really, my hands were shaking and I could not control it, I tried to do my flourish and the cards fell down, It was a total mess, I could not understand why that happened, with time, I could perform to my friends and then to little groups of strangers from my school (everyone knew me because I was a magician lol). However, I'm already over it, but it's still hard for me being fluid and natural when talking in magic. I'ts just something that I can't fix just by talking to the mirror, I guess it comes with experience. |
David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
Shy, we've all gone through that stage! You can practise this on your own shoulder a bit, but you're right; you need experience performing for real.
I said this before, but I've now thought of another reason to do it. I said to follow it up with another bit of magic so they won't have time to backtrack. But this has another effect. It takes away the stress of it going wrong. I will occasionally still get caught out on this, but I don't mind too much because I know I will follow it up with a flurry and jumbo production. They won't say to their friends that you fluffed up a part of the routine, they'll say you made a coin grow giant! This makes me a lot more relaxed than in it was the finale of my routine. This will go wrong from time to time - just think about why it went wrong and put it right. Here's some real basic sample patter, but you'll obviously have to make it fit your theme: What's your name? Hi ____, can you just stand here for a second *move spectator by the shoulder*. What I need you to do is with this hand *tap them on the desired hand* hold my wrist *perform steal*. Okay, now just hold your hand a little higher *load shoulder while adjusting their arm height* so it's completely in view for all to see. Now watch carefully *move body away from spectator so your loading hand wouldn't be able to reach their shoulder* as I rub the back of my hand. This time the coin travels from my hand, along your arm and right to your shoulder! *step way from spectator* That's the gist of what I say every single time. It's not hard to be fluid because every statement is based on what is happening, and that is what makes it natural. I pad it out with stuff that fits the rest of the routine, but not by much. Go out and practise! |
Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I find that you must be a bit noticing as to the shape/slope of people's shoulders. Too much of a sloppy shoulder and the coin will not be stable, I've found.
Also, I think it's pretty easy to do because of the misdirection, even without touching the spec a few times before hand. Why? Well, because of the deception of the CP. No one expects that you can even hold a coin in your seemingly open hand like that, so the misdirection is just part of the flow of things and flies right over people's heads. Before you know it you got the coin to their shoulder and they are completely unaware. I've done this many times now and if you do it even half decently, you've done it well enough. I've been trying to make it more magical, and so after placing the coin on the shoulder, I show the coin has disappeared. I then touch their other shoulder first and then pick the coin up on my way to pluck it from their ear. It all happens in a second, so they do not associate the pickup, and it is lost by the touch of the other shoulder. It all just confuses their senses, but after clearly showing your hands to be empty, a coin plucked from the ear is quite startling and a bit more magical. I'll keep playing with it a bit, but really I seem to be learning a bit more as to this arming/disarming stuff just by rote.
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lesliemusalo New user 37 Posts |
Dear people,
this thread is so great! thank You all for these golden tips! |
countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I have a different tactic. I do a vanish, use an upward almost vertical gesture with my hands. this convinces them, after casually dropping them to my side, that the coin is gone.
after this I suggest that we go back in time 3 minutes or so to when I started showing them some magic. I ask them if they felt me tap them behind their shoulder. I ask them to get the coin off there. wherever they reach towards, I say no it isn't there, and "get it" from where I stuck it to them, behind their shoulder. I then "get it off " behind their shoulder. trust me, try it. it kills. they cannot backtrack because you didn't tap them to begin with and the coin is totally gone, in their mind. trust me, this boggles their mind. the only person you first have to convince, is yourself. |
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