On Apr 22, 2014, Blindside785 wrote:
I hate it, I hate people's ideas on this. They are just justifying the wrong side and they know it.

Here is the basic theory a lot of magicians have here, in a nutshell from what I've sson from some of the posts.

"If it's done and taught well on T.V. and you are learning more out of it, then it's okay without permission!"

On Apr 22, 2014, Robert P. wrote:

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On Apr 22, 2014, Blindside785 wrote:
I hate it, I hate people's ideas on this. They are just justifying the wrong side and they know it.

Here is the basic theory a lot of magicians have here, in a nutshell from what I've sson from some of the posts.

"If it's done and taught well on T.V. and you are learning more out of it, then it's okay without permission!"

Are you getting that from this thread? I don't see anyone here advocating teaching something that belongs to someone else without their permission.

On Apr 22, 2014, Al Desmond wrote:
GDW...

I have a simple question for you. Are intellectual properties the rights of the creator/owner of that property? Simple question. Example: I write a full length play. Is it anyone else's right to gather a bunch of actors and perform that play, without my permission, whether it is for profit or not for profit?

On Apr 22, 2014, Blindside785 wrote:
I hate it, I hate people's ideas on this. They are just justifying the wrong side and they know it.

Here is the basic theory a lot of magicians have here, in a nutshell from what I've sson from some of the posts.

"If it's done and taught well on T.V. and you are learning more out of it, then it's okay without permission!"

Just disgusting, here is a translation

"It's okay that I slaughtered that person, I learned more about their anatomy, I didn't have permission to do it though".

You should hear Max Maven's idea about teaching laymen magic in Dan and Dave's (and R. Paul Wilson's) documentary "Our Magic", got to watch it at Magic-Con and the main idea he gave was, "It's stupid, it's harmful, magicians may not think it's harmful, but it is harmful".

Who cares what kind of forum it's in? So what, it's in a well produced Youtube video? that doesn't give it the right to expose the tricks that they do not have the permission to expose.

On Apr 22, 2014, gdw wrote:
Al, first off, everyone in the thread is advocating getting "permission" from the creators, even me.

Second, you're question is FAR from simple. You're also begging the question, as you're begining with the pressumption of "intellectual property" itself.

An actual simple question, do you, or anyone else, have a right to voluntarily associate with whomever they wish? Another question, do said people also have freedom of speech?
Third question, if someone has the RIGHT to do something, does that neccessarily make it the "right" thing for them to do?

On Apr 22, 2014, Al Desmond wrote:

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On Apr 22, 2014, gdw wrote:
Al, first off, everyone in the thread is advocating getting "permission" from the creators, even me.

Second, you're question is FAR from simple. You're also begging the question, as you're begining with the pressumption of "intellectual property" itself.

An actual simple question, do you, or anyone else, have a right to voluntarily associate with whomever they wish? Another question, do said people also have freedom of speech?
Third question, if someone has the RIGHT to do something, does that neccessarily make it the "right" thing for them to do?

I thought so. No more needs to be said.

On Apr 23, 2014, gdw wrote:
I answered your question, would you be so kind as to answer mine, rather than just a dismissing "I thought so."

On Apr 23, 2014, Al Desmond wrote:

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On Apr 23, 2014, gdw wrote:
I answered your question, would you be so kind as to answer mine, rather than just a dismissing "I thought so."

Nope. I got all the info I needed from you.

On Apr 22, 2014, J-Mac wrote:
My comment above is about the fact that since Michael Ammar, Diamond Jim Tyler, Rich Ferguson and others have appeared on Scam School and "exposed" their own - and others' - effects, why do so many members here only bash Brian Brushwood and not those "name" magicians? As well as other magicians who have given their permission to him to teach their effects? What gives them a "get out of jail free" card?

Definitely a one-way street here! If you're gonna kick one you gotta kick the other too!

Oh - and comparing this to murder?! Really?? Getting silly now.

Jim