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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
All of my English pennies (and gaffs that incorporate English pennies) remain stubbornly bright reddish-orange. Color-wise, they still all look very much like shiny, newly minted U.S. pennies. Maybe I don't handle them enough, or sweat enough, or something -- I don't know.
Is there any simple but effective way of getting them to tarnish, patina, or whatever it is that most pennies do (other than my pennies, evidently) in order to take on that dark, dull, chocolate-brown color? Vinegar? Bleach? Ammonia? Guinness? Anything?
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Taterini Special user 604 Posts |
Liver of Sulphur will work but it is a bit of a lengthy process and you'll want to do several coins at once to make it worth your while.
Here are some links showing the process and what you can expect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b160j_DXgRw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDq-GOae_f0 |
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Dentian Loyal user 278 Posts |
Just use them, copper coins darken up really quickly if you use them extensively.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
I find the more I use them, the more the dark stuff comes off.
Do you think mud would work? |
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts |
Do a search here on the Café. Here's a few I found:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=3 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=115 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=3 (Pete Biro's suggestion in the last thread is interesting to say the least) I am always amazed with the information I find here on the Café from a simple search. |
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george1953 Inner circle Mallorca (Spain) 5943 Posts |
I always put a rag soaked in ammonia in a.plastic bag then put the pennies in and seal it. Make sure they are not touching the rag, you only want the fumesto react with them. Check every hour or so because once they reach a certain point they change very quickly and will go completely black.
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
Thanks, all! I think I'll try the ammonia fumes method first.
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
Or, look for the Queen Victoria pennies that are much darker naturally, and also very smooth. There are two types, the veil or the bun types. The bun types are usually smoother but both get that great dark color you are looking for.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
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On May 13, 2014, Michael Rubinstein wrote: That's odd. Why would that be if they are all copper? The only really dark English pennies I have were purchased in C/S sets from TWOCAN. King George and Queen Victoria. I've asked him for his "secret" but he insists that he gets them like that. Wish I could find some that dark! Jim |
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Dentian Loyal user 278 Posts |
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On May 14, 2014, J-Mac wrote: I think the darkness also depends on the actual age of the coins, generally the 'standard' english pennies that we use are replicas of the old 1967 english pennies (although some may be real) therefore less likely to be dark. |
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
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I think the darkness also depends on the actual age of the coins, generally the 'standard' english pennies that we use are replicas of the old 1967 english pennies (although some may be real) therefore less likely to be dark. Replicas? This touches upon another question I raised in another recent post. Are "the 'standard' english pennies that we use" genuine, or replicas?
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Dentian Loyal user 278 Posts |
I haven't found a reliable method for determining whether or not they are genuine or replicas, but judging by the mass quantities available and the relatively cheap price, I'd say most of them are replicas like the centavo coins we often use. However, one could also argue that the coins were simply mass produced at the time and that copper is cheap in itself..
I think most of them are replicas apart from the really old ones we see occasionally.. I wonder where to go to get those? Michael has a lot of the old nice copper coins as I've seen on the penguin lecture. |
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts |
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On May 14, 2014, J-Mac wrote: I buy mine at antique malls. There is almost always a stall with old coins. They are very cheap and the older copper coins are very dark from use. Because the coins are so cheap, it is hard to believe that there would be any profit in counterfeiting them, but I could be wrong. |
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts |
This, from a coin collector site:
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In 1953 Queen Elizabeth the Second mounted the English throne. By that time people had become a little reluctant to carry around pocketsful of large pennies---the smaller three pence piece first issued in 1937 had become the preferred means of carrying change. It would seem that a lot of people kept a hoard of English large cents from 1967, thus the increased availability in uncirculated condition of that date. |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
Based on the numbers out there, I don't see why there'd be any need to make a replica English penny.
English pennies may be old, but not they're not rare, and the 1967 ones are particularly plentiful -- over 650 million minted vs ~150 million per year for the 5 prior years or a total of around 1.3 *billion* from 1962-1967 Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_......31970%29 Now, compare to say, Walking Liberty half dollars which are quite easy to find, and are only somewhat expensive because of the silver content... Less than 500 million made total, for _all_ years they were minted (1916-1947). Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat......oduction That said, I've heard that the Mexican 20 Centavos coins are getting harder to find, and they had a total mintage of ~891 million. Ref: http://typesets.wikidot.com/mexico:20-ce......943-1974 Shortage references: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=202 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=202&51 Finally, it was news to me to see that Penguin actually carries replica Centavos and English Pennies (both currently out of stock): http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2436 http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S4194 |
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Dentian Loyal user 278 Posts |
Most of the centavos used in coin gaffs (commercial ones) say 'copy' on them. So those are definitely replicas, at least the ones that I've come across..
Also, interesting read for the english pennies, thanks for the info. I do suspect however, that there are replicas out there, namely where I live now. There may be not that many in other places though. |
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DallasFrank Regular user Hey Rocky watch me pull a Rabbit outta my hat...oops wrong hat! 104 Posts |
Magic warehouse has a large supply of 1967 English pennies and they are not copies.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
There are a couple of products out there that can work on coins, "Blacken It" and "Patina It". I have used "Blacken It" to age non-silver coins that do not respond to bleach or other methods of aging. It blacken's rather than browns - I used it to make the relief on worn coins stand out. Haven't tried it on copper, but no doubt it would work. I believe "Patina It" doesn't give the brown patina, but check and see. The stuff begins working within seconds.
Karnak, I know you're looking for the brown color. These are something you might want to look into, either for this or future projects. Here's the blurb on "Patina It" from Micro Mark's site: "Patina-It produces shades of blue/green found on weathered copper, brass and bronze. Use on copper clad ship hulls, dollhouse flashing, roofs, etc. 4 fl. oz. Not a paint."
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
The old pennies were not copper. I think they were bronze or an alloy. I believe the copper coins began with the King George pennes. That is why the older ones get so dark.
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Dentian Loyal user 278 Posts |
Ah that makes sense! Thanks Michael.
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