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Wizard of Oz Inner circle Most people wish I didn't have 5150 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2014, Darkness wrote: Sent you a PM.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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magicianroger Loyal user 287 Posts |
I bought the Original Spiritus over 3 years ago and I love this New Mini Spiritus. I have it on order now.
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Merlinsmagic Inner circle Daly City, CA 1606 Posts |
Also have an SM & love it too. Liked the idea of a smaller version of it, mine should arrive any day now can't wait, my Tarot of Four Corners tarot cards will go nicely with Spiritas as well as in the drawer !
Rick has been great to order from, taken care of me / gave me a good deal & responded in a few minutes or next day of emailing him questions & have received items ordered or pre ordered as promised - the only complaint I have with Rick is......you have too many freakin cool stuff to choose from & then you pop some new cool item out !!!! LoL |
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Merlinsmagic Inner circle Daly City, CA 1606 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2014, Mad0hatter wrote: That could be a cool thought that this was Luna's before she hooked up with Hobb's whom then later bestowed on her the SM for her shows while on tour with him & Maximus as the parting gift......nice idea to run with |
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
Spiritas will be my first electronics-based magical apparatus. Ever since I got Prof BC's Darkspell, I've been looking for a suitable spirit contact device to go with it. For years, though, I've played the part of Goldilocks, ruling out similar devices as not being "just right." Spiritas seems to be just about right for me.
I'm wondering: Would it be feasible/advisable to have a spec unlock the drawer, assemble and place the pendulum on the board? If so, I think this would be a great convincer. |
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Mad0hatter Regular user 192 Posts |
Quote: I'm more interested in whether or not it is already than in taking it that route myself, I'm really interested in the Luna Rose story and I need to know if this is part of it.
On Jun 10, 2014, Merlinsmagic wrote: |
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Roth Inner circle The 18 5090 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote: This is my opinion on the handling of any of my bizarre props for my buyers. My opinion only. The spec could do that MG but I would not let them and I'll explain my reasoning, and this is just my personal opinion.. This is a very "old" piece, an odd mysterious piece. It is a "rare" piece. A surviving relic of a time long past. I want the audience to understand this and respect it. If I had a very "rare" antique on my fireplace mantle I don't think visitors would just pick it up and look at it. I think they would respect the fact that it is an unusual antique and not touch it unless I said they could. The prop itself is completely examinable, but that's not the point. I would not let someone open the drawer or assemble the rig as some sort of convincer (even though they could), because it doesn't need a "convincer". That is for the performer to reveal the mystery's of the prop. Use those moments. "What is in the drawer??" "what is he assembling?" Those are your moments. Now I'm a bit dark and a bit controlling . Other performers can go lighter and allow a little "participation" if they like. As I said, these are my opinions. In my opinion, there is nothing gained, only lost opportunity for the performer. They can see exactly what you are doing right in front of them. They have to respect you as the owner and performer of the piece and you have to have the confidence to present the prop as the real thing. When you take control, they will not need to touch or examine anything. After all they are standing or sitting right there. The drawer is open and there is nothing "fishy" about anything you are doing. Letting someone unlock the drawer or assemble the rig, in my opinion "trivializes" your presentation. You have nothing to prove. You have nothing to hide. It is not a magic prop. There is no reason to show how fair, or how real anything is. You are not doing a magic trick. Now..there is plenty of opportunity for you to have the spec "interact" with the prop by asking questions of the spirit, or having the specs concentrate and use their combined "psychokinetic" powers to make the witch rune stack collapse. Or ask a question and watch the Hobbs Hand rap. This is how I feel about all my bizarre props. |
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Brynmore14 Inner circle The Séance Chamber 1815 Posts |
I take a slightly different approach with my H066z b0x and b3ll. I ask a spectator to assemble the bell while I am busy setting up other tools for the s3@nce. Thus it is not an attempt to prove anything, but also shows (subtly) that there is nothing to hide. I like to frame their helping as a solidification of the collective group intent through physical action. That may not be appropriate with Spiritas or other 'fragile' artifacts, as Rick mentions above.
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Voodini Inner circle 1783 Posts |
Brynmore - there's something wrong with your keyboard.
Voodini - cold reading, past life regressions, remote viewing, Q&A, palm reading, bizarre & seance...
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Voodini Inner circle 1783 Posts |
There's really no need for electronics when it comes to making a spirit bell ring. You know that trick where you have a row of suspended pendulums and you place your hands on the table and you can 'will' the chosen pendulum to swing? Well obviously it can be used for a single pendulum, and if you can make a pendulum swing...
Plus remember that typically at a seance you would have your hands flat on the table... PayPal address upon request for donations.
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2014, Brynmore14 wrote: This is along the lines of my way of thinking. |
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2014, Voodini wrote: Nice to meet you Paul. I have to agree the spectator can make magic happen with their own mind, it's also a lot less expensive If anyone deserves a Paypal donation it is definitely you! That's my 2 cents
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2014, Voodini wrote: Indeed going for the genuine seance wouldn't ever look at using electronics. Glass pushing and pendulum work all the way. Nothing to go wrong, no battery failings and people generally see it as more "real". It goes more into spook show realms getting the electronics out like this. But I think there is a bit of a cultural difference on these things. What the UK audience would accept and what a US accept I reckon is quite different if you are trying to go for convincing people of genuine ghosts. However for a spook show or bizarre show these have endless possibilities. |
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
I believe it's also dependant on routine and persona of the performer to sell the concept whatever that maybe. These are all just tools of the trade. What you make with them... depends.... if electronics enhance or detract from the goal.
Culturally if you took your act to a tribal group in the bush they may have a much different point of reference and respond accordingly regardless of the tool. That's an extreme example but I think the range varies between anyone who has lost of loved one to someone who has no point of reference other than the sky and their mind. The spoken word alone can create magical moments that last a lifetime or cause a war. Use all the tools at your disposal. All food for thought as we individually craft our trade.
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Voodini Inner circle 1783 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2014, Darkness wrote: You know it makes sense.
Voodini - cold reading, past life regressions, remote viewing, Q&A, palm reading, bizarre & seance...
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2014, Darkness wrote: I agree. Let's say you have your specs sit around staring at the pendulum for 15 minutes and it doesn't move. You then put the pendulum aside and later, while doing something else, you let a couple of specs see it move slightly out of the corner of their eyes. The performer can even deny seeing it himself and ask whether the specs are trying to put him on. No need to go over the top like a spook show. |
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
HAHA yes I agree that may have happened before MG staring for 15mins and nothing. Personal choice for pacing, dynamics, ebb and flow based on your experience and tastes for the show you wish to craft to present to represent yourself. I'm glad to see we are not all the same.
There are many ways to get to the finish line. I'm not a big fan of crawling or sprinting just somewhere in between and I like to wear black when I do it with an evil grin.
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Voodini Inner circle 1783 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote: Hey! You never said you'd been to one of my seances!
Voodini - cold reading, past life regressions, remote viewing, Q&A, palm reading, bizarre & seance...
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
Ha! Well you get an honorary hall pass Paul....
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Roth Inner circle The 18 5090 Posts |
[quote]On Jun 11, 2014, Joshua J wrote:
Indeed going for the genuine seance wouldn't ever look at using electronics. Glass pushing and pendulum work all the way. Nothing to go wrong, no battery failings and people generally see it as more "real". Really, when you say "genuine seance" are you saying you are actually raising spirits? As opposed to what? A fake seance where gaffs are used? People see it as "more real". More real than what? When the planchette on my Darkboard flies straight up at the air at the end of the seance, that's pretty dang real. People literally scream. As far as knocking electronics. Don't buy junk. I have top performers that use my products in professional performances around the world. Nothing wrong with good high end props. BTW, next to the U.S. the U.K. are my second biggest buyers of my bizarre props. |
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