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Adam Paul Veteran user 332 Posts 
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2014, Jon Allen wrote: Hey Jon- I don't know if gun lobby or NRA are good analogies my friend. NRA here in the USA does not care about big or small shootings - they simply exist to make sure anyone and everyone can own a gun. Period. Killings and shootings are ignored and irrelevent to the gun lobby. that's just a fact. Lets stick with the main subject which is exposure. Even if Craig et al does have participants sign a non-disclosure, is it really wise to *** our secrets out in the name of making $$$? For people who probaby mostly never had a passing interest in magic?
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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I'm not a Craig fan boy and have not shied away from criticism in the past.
And I am not sure I back him in this. Although I fail to see much harm in it, but non hobbyists will have a more valid pov. But what I am doing is mocking you and your ilk. Arch stirrer and Craig baiter Jamie F has set you all off like little clockwork toys and the incandescent hysteria over this is ridiculous. Here's a thought, Google "team building with magic" and see just how prevalent this is. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts
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The starred out word rhymes with "lore"
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funnymagic Regular user The funny farm 166 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2014, Ray Chelt wrote: Yes, but they are teaching people how to do the 21 card trick or the jumping rubber band, not how to fudge their way through a performance using apparatus that costs thousands and that is in the acts of professional illusionists worldwide. |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2014, funnymagic wrote: Do you see that  Funnymagic is saying its okay to divulge some magic.
Burn him !!! Burn him !!! |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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Hi Craig !!!
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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Hey scoops,
Whilst you and Craig are both lurking about the Café. Why don't you PM him to get his side of the story. It's what Lois would do. |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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In fact, instead of hiding in the (very small) crowd, I would encourage everybody who is hurling abuse to contact Craig and express their views mano a mano.
Go on, don't be scared. |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2014, Ray Chelt wrote: Ray Chelt, troublemaker extraordinaire! 
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2014, Jamie Ferguson wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhEQ1E8XP......be_gdata - Video Tube for YouTube - Android |
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NYCJoePitt Special user 559 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2014, funnymagic wrote: Finally, the voice of reason. Someone with some inside information. Clearly funnymagic knows which illusions are being exposed in order to state this. So what are they? Inquiring minds want to know! |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2014, Ray Chelt wrote: That one had me in stitches. Good find 
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts
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I know. Is terrible how we force you to read these threads. Poor old Merlin.
James Quote: On Jun 22, 2014, Merlin wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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MJE Elite user After all these years,I STILL have only 409 Posts
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So, has someone here finally decided where the line between "teaching" and "exposing" is? Everyone's been waiting for years to understand that, so please spell it out.
I'll check back later to get the full story, but I gotta go teach/expose the old chestnut "Two Card Monte" to a group of summer camp kids at the moment. |
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DelMagic Special user 721 Posts
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We have all been "searchers" at some point in our magical lives. We weren't yet magicians, but we were driven to investigate. We generally don't mind doing small, controlled exposures for the searchers. Many stop searching after a brief time and the lessons should end there.
Others become neophyte magicians and perhaps the search lasts for years or even a lifetime. Even within this group, exposure is controlled but far less tightly. People who happen to be randomly assigned to be in the same room as you don't really qualify as students. Most magicians generally view their art and its practices as very special - not for general consumption. |
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rowland Inner circle 1526 Posts
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This is appalling, exposing material that magicians are currently using in their acts is unbelievable. Most lay people will have no loyalty to the magic profession and will spread the word how they are performed. Where does it end when magicians like this will stoop this low.
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts
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I do not believe that teaching magic to corporate employees as a team building exercise is the right thing to do. Such a practice would seem to violate our code and possibly ethics.
But now I have to ask the questions, "Is teaching magic to children in hospital okay?" "Is teaching magic to seniors in a nursing home okay?" "Is teaching magic to troubled teens to boost their self esteem okay?" Those three scenarios have been lauded as wonderful acts on the part of the magicians who provide these services. True, they don't do it for money (most of the time), and I would guess the effects being taught are not major stage illusions, but then again, is our problem with exposure in general or just exposure for gain? Where is the line drawn? Personally, I would ask Craig to abandon this venture, but there are always different points of view, aren't there?
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts
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I agree that Craig seems to be trivializing our
craft. I never forgot how mean spirited he was during his slanderous rant against Jeff McBride. Jeff forgave him, but never forgot. I haven't forgotten either. Pimping magic should be discouraged. |
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johndevacmaker Special user 648 Posts
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Double standards
Unfortunately some people think it's ok |
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