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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3062 Posts |
I'm in the same boat as Eric (heck he and I even have the same name lol) I received mine over a year ago and the quality is excellant. If the quality has changed I'm sorry to hear that. I will say if the outcome still is not overshadowed by this Id keep going on with it. You could also take this card out of play. But I know Id just keep it in and have fun with it. However I think quality control should always be the top concern. Just my 2 cents.
Good magic to all, Eric |
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3062 Posts |
I'm in the same boat as Eric (heck he and I even have the same name lol) I received mine over a year ago and the quality is excellant. If the quality has changed I'm sorry to hear that. I will say if the outcome still is not overshadowed by this Id keep going on with it. You could also take this card out of play. But I know Id just keep it in and have fun with it. However I think quality control should always be the top concern. Just my 2 cents.
Good magic to all, Eric |
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Yuan Moons Veteran user 348 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2017, pegasus wrote: Lol, Give it a rest. You're the magic equivalent of a SJW. Always commenting negatively on things you know nothing about. You don't even have this trick. It's virtue signalling and a sure sign of a weak man. Lol |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Haha. Gotta love the keyboard warriors. There's one on every forum.
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stevegore Loyal user 207 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2017, emyers99 wrote: Thanks Eric. I prefer using a table or surface too, as it looks the cleanest way. Although, It can be done walkaround in the hands too though. Cheers Steve |
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
OK, so I've tried this out on folks a couple of times now - excellent reactions, and I think it's going to become one of my favorite effects. Love the way the methods for the two different phases cancel each other out. The props are terrific - I really don't see any issue with the printing on the cards. You get a second poker chip from the same casino but of a different color and denomination so you can do a visual change, which also builds in some time misdirection between the two card phases. On the DVD you get loads of live performances by various performers, each of whom bring something a bit different to the effect, and Gore covers covers extra ideas and tips after first teaching you everything you need to know about the effect. The premise of using cards from bygone casinos is a great hook that draws people in, especially if they're old enough to have visited any of them. This is a really fun routine with three solid magical moments, if you include the chip color change. At the end, they can examine everything with the exception of the wallet, but you can put that away in your pocket before the second phase begins. Only suggestion would be that they might, in the future, include a second non-gimmicked vinyl wallet that you can draw from your pocket to put put the final cards away, in which case absolutely everything could be examined. But you can cheaply come up with your own wallet scenario to do the same thing, and either way it's not going to be an issue that can't be dealt with easily. So, great routine, love the props, get it if you like what you see.
Now appearing nightly in my basement.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
This is an excellent gambling effect, and I purchased it after waiting ages for the new edition to come out.
BUT ... the printing on is cards is crap. The printing is absolutely terrible, it's not debatable, anybody with eyes will (or should) say the same - you certainly don't have to be a magician or a printer to notice. The cards appear as if they were printed in lo-res on an inexpensive inkjet printer. The quality of the paper the cards are printed on, and the finish on the cards is excellent. Folks need to separate comments made about the quality of the effect (which is excellent) from comments made about the quality of the printing on the cards provided (which is terrible). The printing on the cards doesn't render the trick completely unusable ... but I certainly won't be using it, as the cards don't look authentic, they look home-made, and "looking" home-made and custom printed could easily tip the method to an astute viewer. |
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
I believe Steve mentioned earlier that Christian from Card Shark was involved with the graphics. The quality of his Phoenix brand cards is incredible. Why didn't they use the same production standards for these? That would have been awesome.
If this were a mediocre trick, I probably wouldn't care so much. But these guys dropped the ball one the one-yard line at the end of an 80 yard kickoff return(American football reference!). Real bummer. |
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3062 Posts |
Could any of you with the poor quality cards maybe post a picture of them? There really are enough people saying the quality on some of these is poor. Mine are very nice quality but I purchased them when they first came out. Id like to get an idea of how these came out.
Good magic to all, Eric |
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On The Offbeat Loyal user 287 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2017, The great Gumbini wrote: Really? I count a total of 2 people complaining about the quality of the cards. Hey, I don't have a dog in this race but here's the deal, the cards ARE printed at a slightly lower resolution than USPCC cards. Most purchasers won't care or even notice but to a few they will look horrendous, but I believe this will be a small minority. I hadn't noticed until someone here mentioned it. I cant imagine any specs noticing. They don't even see them for long enough to pass judgement. I get that what may look great to one person may look terrible to another. But I think saying they almost look home-made is unfair. Although I agree that the Maxim card is the worst as others have said. This lower resolution has flown past everyone I've performed this to, it even flew past me until I read this thread so I'm fine with them how they are. But if you're the type of person who would ALWAYS rather watch a terrible movie on blu ray over a fantastic movie on DVD then you may want to see these cards in person first before you buy this. |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Take it up with System Six. The rights were sold to them.
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2017, On The Offbeat wrote: LOL! Yep, think that about sums it up. This is a great routine, and the props get the job done. No one has really discussed the artwork on the front of the cards, so I'll say the Joker artwork looks fantastic. Every face is an interesting piece of art, and all are different.
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
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On Mar 31, 2017, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: LOL! Ummm...no. That doesn't sum up anything. In fact, that's an invalid analogy. We've already agreed that the trick is great, so the 'terrible movie' part does not apply. Try this- if you went online and ordered a remastered, wide-screen, Blu-Ray copy of John Ford's 'The Searchers' (priced appropriately, per your expectations of quality), and they sent you a VHS cassette, pan-and-scan format, would that be a problem? Why? Same great movie, no? Assuming you still have a VCR, wouldn't this 'still get the job done'? |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
I prefer Betamax.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
To be clear, I'm not complaining about anything - nothing - zilch.
I'm simply factually stating that the cards look like crap, which they do. Folks that want to overlay their own personal agenda on what is simply a factual statement from an owner of the effect are free to do so ... but that doesn't translate into any sort of "complaint" from me. The cards look like crap ... simple, no editorial required. |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Arite, you're essentially saying "here is my opinion, so I don't need to hear anyone else's."
OK, so if you're not complaining then you must be satisfied with how the cards look. But it doesn't sound like you are satisfied so in reality you are complaining, which is totally your right. I have no issue with that. However, you cannot state factually that anything looks like crap (except for maybe actual crap) because that is simply an opinion, not fact. And my only personal agenda is that I believe that many other owners of this would find your description to be exaggerated and I hate to see any potential buyers turned off to this great effect because they are worried the cards look really bad. Since most people posting here are happy with them I think it is only fair to say that they look less than perfect but do the job fine. Stating they look like crap is overly harsh IMO unless you happened to get a really bad set but I think they are all the same AFAIK. |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
The reason I'm not complaining is because there's absolutely nothing to be done about the poor printing on the cards.
So it would be a waste of time to exert any energy worrying about it ... and it's far simpler to just put the DVD case on the shelf and forget about it - which I've done. Won't be the first poorly manufactured magic effect I've ever bought, and certainly won't be the last! I appreciate that your take on the printing of the cards is that they're "less than perfect", but my own take remains that they "look like crap". Those two opinions (mine and yours) are probably a good bit of information for folks to have before they decide (or not) to purchase this effect. We have, in effect, provided relevant information that potential buyers can parse any way they choose to. |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
I think the cards may now look like crap after System Six purchased the rights. They're probably printed in some back street shop in China now.
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
Serious Questions:
1. I would really like to have a premium set of the cards made based on vector artwork that I will gladly provide. Can somebody put me in touch with a quality gaff maker/printer that can work with me on this? These will be for my use only- I am not looking to sell to anyone else,I don't want a hundred cards(maybe 3 sets). 2. Would this be ethically ok, considering that I did pay for the effect, and am not looking to sell or distribute? |
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Merenkov Elite user 413 Posts |
The cards do not "feel" like the kinds of gimmicked cards we're used to that are typically printed by the USPCC. The imaging could have been a little sharper on the cards. The only card back I was truly disappointed with was the Maxim card (I couldn't read it). All that said, this is still a very workable trick and a fantastic idea. I just grabbed 10 cards from my cancelled casino Kaleidoscope deck (thank you Daryl) to compare. As I thumb through the cards of each, they look almost identical. No spectator in the world (unless they happen to be a magician or card collector) is going to go, hey wait a minute, those weren't made using vector artwork! As a collector of quality props and cards, I would actually pay more money for a premium set designed as Calvin826 describes, but it would really be more for my own aesthetic pleasure. If it's the spectator that somehow raises the issue, there's likely something wrong with your performing style. (By the way, if this trick used the types of cards some people here are dreaming about, the trick would likely have cost $50, not $30, and people would be complaining about that.)
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