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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On Aug 27, 2014, Your Thinking Cap wrote: THE IBM does absolutely nothing, I mean nothing to enforce their policy. Steve
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Is it childish behavior when the answer to a question is NO?
No means no. It does not necessarily require explanation - Max chose to nor wish to share or be paid for his original idea. Agree ir disagree - doesn't matter. Max said NO. To ignore Max now and simply railroad over his specific wishes is unfair IMO to Max. For him it's not about the money.
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Gordon Bean V.I.P. 103 Posts |
From a creator's perspective, I think it's very easy to understand why Max is upset and would not wish to have further contact with Greg, especially since it is now clear that Greg's product was coded and ready to go when this thread started. Regardless of any general personal discussions in the past, the obvious path to marketing an item based on such a highly original, relatively recent idea is to check with the creator before going public with the variation--not putting that person on the spot after the fact.
If Greg believes he needs to use Max's getting-the-odds cover for his version of Max's idea, he should have discussed this with Max before having the coding and designing done. And if he thinks he doesn't need that cover, then pretty obviously he should have had his design reflect that fact. In this relatively small market of ours, there is no practical legal recourse for those who think their rights as a creator have been infringed upon. Such matters are up to the marketers, the reviewers, and the marketplace to decide. I, for one, am not going to be supporting Greg's project. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
No does not mean yes.
Max is the victim. He has no responsibility to make a deal. Greg needs to change course to respect Max's intellectual creation. May not be ideal for Greg's release but that's the way the ball bounces. Would it be better for us consumers if a deal could be made? Sure. But it takes two to tango and apparently Max is adamant that he had no interest in a deal or communicating with Greg. End of story. Let's see what Greg does - it will say a lot about how he does business.
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Your Thinking Cap Elite user 408 Posts |
I totally agree with you. Greg's actions now will be the determining factor in how his business is viewed in the future. Max said no. End of story. There is no ethical course of action for Greg but to take his product off the market.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Aug 27, 2014, Your Thinking Cap wrote: Er, no thanks. He's put the price up. I'll stick with Greg's thank you. 2 weeks and counting. |
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Your Thinking Cap Elite user 408 Posts |
Well, I agree that Max has inadvertantly maybe made the case stronger for people to buy RA because it is now cheaper. However, the real issue is that RA is still going to be sold.
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Your Thinking Cap Elite user 408 Posts |
Max told Greg plain and simple no. Greg continuing onward regardless is sickening enough to never buy another one of his products again. I cannot support his business if he participates in unethical practices.
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
I sympathize with Max.
But the idea that all innovation or thought down a particular path is the domain of one person is, I think, incredibly stifling. There seem to be a number of improvements (in my opinion) in this version of the effect, which would seem to justify its existence. |
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Myke Phillips Inner circle Myke Phillips 1213 Posts |
I feel for Max right now.
This is just wrong, and to be honest, I lost my respect for Greg when he created Telefoto, which was an expanded idea from another creators App. Way back, Salah and I had an idea for the perfect ACAAN App but we shelved it for two reasons. Firstly, Max had not long released his and secondly, it was to similar to Max's App. I have always said that Greg comes across as a great guy in his videos but its in our actions that we show our true selves. Don't expand, be creative and create your own ideas, then you will become a true Genius. Myke X |
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Blueroyalty Loyal user 280 Posts |
I honestly don't see why Greg is catching so much flak here. From what I have learned on these forums over the past couple years, as long a creator comes up with addition, whether it be their own new presentation, handling, or an enhancement to an effect that has already been released, they are justified in doing so as it now becomes a "new effect". From what I can see, Greg has done just that, enhanced a great effect, making it superb; he's therefore justified....not to mention he has stated that he's tried to contact Max on several occasions to work something out. This looks no different (just grabbing a recent example) of what Penguin has done with their "Monte 2.0" which is just a new presentation to 3 card monte popularized by Skinner. Penguin didn't catch nowhere near this much flak. Greg seems like a great businessman who tries to work with his competitors rather than against so we should take it easy on all the harshness. Just my .02. On a brighter note, I'm so glad that Greg has released this on Android first (apple always seems to get apps first). I'm going to the google store in about 30 seconds to download!
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
The situation is quite clear and complicated at the same time. Let's face it, the idea to transmitt card and number secretly to the performer is very old, I have used already years ago a PM product which you all know. Thumpers are around for ages, in all variations... To use a smart phone as a thumper is a newer idea, Max was one of the first in general, he invented then his app more then three years ago (I have it and paid for it, it is NOT cheap, last app update October 2012). His idea to justify putting in a number and a card is genious, and this is the main, if not the only problem with Greg's RA. I could start to compare the apps on a technical level, tell you exactly what I think, the pros and cons, but it doesn't solve the problem.
In the spirit that we need to progress all the time I simply wish that Max and Greg would find an agreement and sort out hings between themselves. We all and our art in general would benefit from it. Jan
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Greg Rostami V.I.P. Skynet will become self-aware in 2871 Posts |
I would like to start by saying RA is an ACAAN thumper ... that's it ... nothing more ... nothing less.
If you use it with an accomplice, then your audience can write down any card & number and your accomplice can simply type that into their device and the magician can proceed with whatever is necessary to do the work. Now, if I you want to perform without an accomplice you need to justify WHY someone is going to input a card and a number into their device. In MACAAN Max has created a JUSTIFICATION for why someone is inputting a card and a number into a device. Max then takes that information and does something VERY different than what I do in RA. I started this thread by giving Max credit for his justification idea. As I've said before on this thread I really don't want Max to be upset. Everyone keeps saying "Max said NO". In my recollection of our conversation Max NEVER said no. In fact he showed great interest in the idea and wanted to examine it further. As many people on this thread have mentioned, my addition to this plot is a positive step towards reaching the holy grail of ACAAN. Based on the fact that Max will not even talk to me about any financial compensation for his justification idea, here's my new routine idea (new justification): It's called TRANSPORTER. Spectator, on their smartphone, goes to transporter.com, and inputs a card and a number. An animation on the screen shows their card being magically transported (like Star Trek) to their selected number. Magician puts a deck of cards on the back of their face down phone ... you can hear the transporter working. "I think your card has REALLY been transported to your number". Spectator picks up the cards, counts to his number and finds his card ... TADA!! How do you like that idea? Shall I dump the stats idea because Max doesn't wanna talk to me? You decide. If you decide Transporter, it means the stats idea will never be in RA. If you decide Statistics you need to convince Max to call me. Greg Rostami |
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Your Thinking Cap Elite user 408 Posts |
Go with the transporter idea or don't publish it all.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
I like the transporter idea Greg, very good thinking. I believe it's as good as the stats routine, if I'm honest. It will be far more entertaining and magical for a laymen IMO.
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Myke Phillips Inner circle Myke Phillips 1213 Posts |
I think it's turning into a bit of a kiddie App now which is a step backwards in my opinion.
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Your Thinking Cap Elite user 408 Posts |
I agree too, but that's the price he has to pay for ripping people off.
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Alex DLF Inner circle 1990 Posts |
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On Aug 27, 2014, Your Thinking Cap wrote: Please, who are you ? Do you have any horse in the race ? What do you know for being so arrogant and mean ? I think we should let them take care of that, they have too many troubles to be annoyed by you. I try to be respectfull but honestly, if we wasn't on a forum, I wouldn't be so.
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Your Thinking Cap Elite user 408 Posts |
I am just someone who cares about intellectual and creative property and when it is shamelessly violated for profit by people who should know better. I mean no personal attack on Greg, but a self-reflection on his part of his own business practices.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Your thinking cap. You are really, really annoying. Please go away and hijack another thread. You could talk a glass eye to sleep.
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