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Howie.....you just don't get it, do you? We are at a sad moment in time when an evil group by the name of ISIS is decapitating men, women, and children in the name of religeon. This was what you said which sparked my reaction: "Use a head chopper and place a kid in it; tell the kids that all people are sinners and the wages of sin is death; push down on the blade and announce that God forgives our sins and we are saved!!!" Do you not consider that it is a trifle insensitive, especially as this is the gospel section of The Magic Café? I have no doubt that Jesus would forgive you, and I forgive you too. However, I think an apology would be most welcome, but that is your call!!! Smile JR
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Using the Magic Compass aka High Sign

One could talk about forgiving 70 times 7
And as you have the area go left to right talk about as far as the East is from the West as
He stretched out his arms.
The up and down arrows could be used as well

If you are into sound at the end drop 3 very large nails/spikes.
The ones I use are about 1 foot long

Depending on where you are, you might want to be aware of wood floors etc.

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Hi - as Harris suggested you can use the Magic Compus - though I made mine 12 x 24(or 14 X28 -etc-etc) so you can fold it in half -outsides as regular compus - inside has the words FORGIVNESS _ arrows up/down/sideways- nowmatter where/how-- God Forgives - Also you can make the outside(Arrow sides)decor as a gift with ribbons & Bow where the arrow point is - befor opening you could say "the greatest gift is!!!---" 'FORGIVNESS' Ralph(russo)Rousseau
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For those that use puppets, you could teach your puppet Bible versus on forgiveness.

This doesn't have to be a ventriloquist routine.

Though I am a ventriloquist, not all my puppets are used with my lips being still.

In fact one of my puppets asks me why my lips are moving when he talks.
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I use the Silk in Balloon for this message. Also use a Ball to Cube. Take the silk and show it as sin. Place silk in hand that is secretly holding the ball to cube. Insert silk into ball and open hand to show sin blocks our relationship with God. Bring out the fully inflated clear balloon and show it as our soul.

Make the silk appear inside the balloon to show how sin stains our soul. Tell them that asking God for forgiveness cleans our souls. Pull the silk out of the balloon as you state this.
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On Oct 22, 2014, Jolly Roger wrote:
Howie.....you just don't get it, do you? We are at a sad moment in time when an evil group by the name of ISIS is decapitating men, women, and children in the name of religeon. This was what you said which sparked my reaction: "Use a head chopper and place a kid in it; tell the kids that all people are sinners and the wages of sin is death; push down on the blade and announce that God forgives our sins and we are saved!!!" Do you not consider that it is a trifle insensitive, especially as this is the gospel section of The Magic Café? I have no doubt that Jesus would forgive you, and I forgive you too. However, I think an apology would be most welcome, but that is your call!!! Smile JR


I have to agree with this. Quite frankly I have never appreciated chopper tricks done for children under the age of 10 and this was BEFORE all the ISIS stuff. I remember being very dubious indeed when reading in "The Amateur Magician's Handbook" by Henry Hay that David Ginn recommended "danger" tricks such as these. I vehemently disagree although I have always appreciated Mr Ginn's other contributions to the art of children's entertainment.

Forgiveness itself is a very hard thing to achieve and alas a magic trick alone is not going to do it. And this goes for us all whether Christians or not. In fact very often religious people of every faith can be less forgiving than most. That is because some of them are extreme in their beliefs and feel that they have the backing of God in their lack of forgiveness. Atheists can be just as forgiving as Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc; if not more so.

It is relatively easy to forgive minor transgressions. Much harder to forgive the more serious stuff. Can you forgive an ISIS fighter for beheading a loved one? Can you forgive someone who rapes your daughter? Can you forgive someone who robs you of your life savings? It is a VERY difficult thing to do. Jesus said you should and he was right. He didn't tell you HOW to do it though. Fortunately other people have and they admit the difficulty too. There are a few authors who have written books on this subject from rabbis to psychiatrists.

Doing a magic trick trivialises the question of forgiveness. The odds are that one of the kids watching this will start fighting with another kid within 30 minutes of the show finishing! So much for forgiveness.

I can't tell people how to forgive either with or without a magic trick. It is the most difficult challenge of all and I certainly am not the most forgiving person myself. However, I can give you one little tip on the matter. It won't be enough but it is a start. You don't forgive to help the other person. You do it to help yourself. Yep. Forgiveness can actually be a selfish act. Odd isn't it?
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Oh, one more thing. We often ask God for forgiveness. You know, sometimes I think it should be the other way round.
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Thanks

I really appreciate the idea on the magic compass

I also make my own, but have never made the ones with a message inside.

It is great when folks share their creativity.
Along with great props, in my experience , it is good to share
Personally at the level of my audience.

Some are ready for "milk".

It is a blessing for me to give and receive.

Love and prayers brother Harris
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Cafémagician, You’ve brought up some good examples of where it would be extremely difficult to forgive, and yet we are commanded to do so. Jesus (God) has set an extremely high standard concerning forgiveness. I agree that many Christians act unforgiving, but its not because a lack of instruction from God.

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Oh, one more thing. We often ask God for forgiveness. You know, sometimes I think it should be the other way round.

I’m afraid you’ve lost me here.
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Our human sinful nature makes it hard,
with our new nature with the Holy Spirit, forgiveness is
possible even in difficult situation


When I buy new suit, I don't put it on top of the old suit.

Faith makes it possible for works that point to our
Savior Jesus.

An inventory taken moment to moment, at the end of the day and
periodically helps this writer.

By His blood........

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A great way to approach forgiveness is to say that you forgive everyone for everything. This includes forgiving yourself, which is actually a wise place to start. By doing this, you are not condoning their actions, which can be horrendous, but you are recognizing their divine nature, which was a gift from God. We left God in in the Garden of Eden, and entered the material world, which is far from perfect. However, God never left us. One day, we shall all return to God. "Return to me, and I shall return to thee!" Malachi 3:7 JR
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Forgiveness itself is a very hard thing to achieve and alas a magic trick alone is not going to do it.

Doing a magic trick trivialises the question of forgiveness. The odds are that one of the kids watching this will start fighting with another kid within 30 minutes of the show finishing! So much for foregiveness.


What we do illustrates a message, we are trying to show a new, creative way of looking at foregiveness. Not everyone would take that on board, but they wouldn't whatever we do. But the more different ways off approaching a complex issue the better.

Most of us tomorrow will sit through a Sermon. If it has an object lesson then we are more likely to remember the message and reflect on it when we do wrong. That's why i/we use magic, puppets or other creative ministry tools.
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I think this is rather good. It is written by the minister of the church I shall be attending in Sedona tomorrow morning:

The highest expression of love is not romance, but forgiveness. Any ordinary human being can love someone, but it takes an extraordinary human being to love and forgive.

The only thing in this world that can bring you all that you could possibly want is forgiveness. This is because forgiveness releases us from all misperceptions about ourselves and others. If you want more money or better friends, all you have to do is forgive whatever blocks these gifts from coming to you. All else that we study on the spiritual path is mere theory if you do not understand and apply the principles of forgiveness.

Forgiveness can enter our lives the easy way—by recognizing its value and choosing it—or the hard way—by becoming tired of the painful effects of non-forgiveness or false forgiveness and by being forced to experience the humbling process of “Dismantling.” In either case, true forgiveness requires that we be open to seeing people and events differently. We also have to demonstrate a willingness to relinquish our hurts and anger (judgments) concerning all relevant people and events.

Additionally, when practicing forgiveness, we are called to take responsibility for any part we may have played in creating discordant or hurtful events. When we learn to take responsibility for our own lives, we soon find that we no longer place inappropriate expectations or projections onto others. This huge step—taking responsibility for our pain—is the most difficult, since most people don’t know how to recognize the part they may have played in creating discordant situations, not to mention that they usually don’t want to. However, ignorance does not excuse us from the law of responsibility.

Although one may assume that an act of forgiveness is always sincere, this is unfortunately not always the case. There are many forms of “false forgiveness.” False forgiveness includes forgiving out of pity or obligation or making deals or pretending that time has healed us. Or, we may think we have forgiven when, in actuality, we have learned to deny that we are hurt or make excuses for those who we think have hurt us. False forgiveness is usually founded on keeping someone in the assigned role of “victim,” which automatically suspends any chance to experience healing and true forgiveness. The more dramatized these roles (victim/victimizer or “good guy/bad guy”) become, the more entrenched the hurt will be, thus rendering forgiveness even more difficult.

There is no escaping the fact that we cannot experience true forgiveness while hiding, denying, defending, or protecting our hurts. However, a healthy and authentic forgiveness process, such as “Soul-Level Healing,” offers a solution for this dilemma of pain and denial.

Besides the numerous forms of “false forgiveness,” there are also many versions, or levels, of true or well-intended forgiveness. Of course any attempt to forgive is better than no attempt at all. What matters most is our personal evolution. Thus, we should forgive according to our highest level of capability, while also developing deeper and deeper levels of forgiveness. If we do so sincerely, we will eventually be able to apply forgiveness toward all people and events.

One of the most commonly discussed aspects of forgiveness is compassion. In fact, most people on the spiritual path consider this to be the highest form of forgiveness. Here we learn to forgive others by choosing to see the person who has “wronged” us as wounded and worthy of our compassion, patience, love, and forgiveness. This is an empowering concept, as it encourages us to develop a compassionate heart. This form of forgiveness falls short, however, if it encourages people to forgive another person simply because they feel pity for them, thinking that they behaved hurtfully only because they are suffering inside. Ultimately, we need to progress to forgiving others even when they don’t have a “hard-luck” story. Instead, we learn to forgive no matter who they are, where they have been, or what they have done.

The highest form of forgiveness is actually not compassion. The highest form is “Spiritual Forgiveness,” which is the practice of forgiving as God forgives. So when you are upset by something someone has done, forgiveness, in its truest sense, means moving beyond even compassion to a level of consciousness that affirms that whatever we thought happened actually did not occur.

Since God always remains in a pure state of Mind, It can only see purity, never flaws, and therefore sees nothing to forgive. At this level, the highest of human understanding, we realize that there is ultimately no-body and no-thing to forgive—neither in ourselves nor in others. Here we understand that if ever anyone truly did harm us, that person merely acted out (or reflected to us) some unhealed issue we once held inside of ourselves. We now realize that to truly experience forgiveness for others, we must also forgive (heal) the core issues within ourselves.

Practicing Spiritual Forgiveness means coming to understand that since God, who is Love, is all there really is, then all else must be untrue or false. In other words, as soon as you see an error in another, you are not seeing as God sees, which means you are not seeing the Truth about yourself or someone else. Since you are not seeing with the eyes of God and are not seeing the Truth, then what you are seeing is false. Therefore, to react as though it were true would be insane, since you are reacting to things that are not really there.

Thus, any event we’ve ever experienced that seemed to lack Love must have been false or an illusion. Once we understand this, we realize there is nothing to forgive. And although this is the highest level of forgiveness, each person should only practice a level they can understand and believe in.

Spiritual forgiveness heals you of the perception of separation from God, which in turn accomplishes a mini-version of your return Home and starts the process of experiencing miracles in any part of your life. Therefore, when you truly forgive, you are coming closer to “being as God” than in any other moment, because to truly forgive means to see and feel only the light within yourself and others, as God sees.

Now when we ask for the strength and clarity to forgive, it doesn’t mean asking for the strength to forgive someone who has upset us. Rather, it means asking for our mind to be healed of what we thought happened. It doesn’t mean trying to deny that something occurred, as much as it means releasing our interpretation of the event. This includes releasing the power we allowed it to have over us, but this is not the primary focus.

To blame others for your misfortunes shows you are in need of education. To blame yourself shows your education has begun. To blame no one shows your education is complete.
–Epictetus

Whatever level of forgiveness you practice, the bottom line is that if you fail to completely forgive someone or something, you cannot experience the best life possible. It’s that simple! All excuses for having not forgiven are subtle forms of unconsciously choosing to hold on to your judgments and the resulting pain you will then inflict on yourself and others. But keep in mind that if you fail to forgive, which means keeping your judgments, it will eventually be your downfall. Further, the only reason to insist on maintaining your judgments is to excuse your failure to forgive in the first place.

So keep an honest eye on how you may claim to have forgiven something, only to bring it up again and again, which is clear proof that all judgment has not yet been released. No matter how clever you (and your ego) may be, if you still have any judgments in your consciousness, they will inevitably surface and be seen, spoken, felt, and/or experienced in your outer life—especially in your relations and interactions with others.

It may look and feel as though others have clearly “caused” your hurts and wounds, but in truth, others are more often merely rubbing up against old wounds that already existed long before you met the people presently involved. So be courageous enough to let others off the hook for whatever you believe they did to you. Even if others (by human standards) have indeed hurt you, you can still forgive them so that you don’t remain with them in a hell of hurt and blame. After all, this lifetime has only one purpose, which is for us to heal ourselves and others through the giving and receiving of love, which is best achieved through forgiveness.

Anything we forgive is merely an illusion, or false perception, that we once held about others or ourselves. This is because the most common times we felt hurt or offended by another is when they triggered issues we have not yet healed. So, for example, when someone does something that upsets us, it isn’t what they have done that really upsets us. Rather, their actions awaken unhealed issues within us. Because we don’t like what it’s bringing up in us, we get upset and even enraged. Through our reaction, we can realize that some similar past experience still lingers in our psyche, AND they have shown us a weakness or flaw in our thinking about ourselves, such as the idea that we are too fat or ugly or a failure and so forth.

In releasing such perceptions, our soul is restored to its original state of grace. All problems (from sickness to financial) are related to our wounded mis-perceptions and are healed through the miracle of forgiveness. We are released as we release others. This truth is expressed in an ancient prayer stated in a new way: “Forgiven are our debts, as we have forgiven others.”

Since it is our choice to release old hurts, resentments, or judgments, we create our own healing by choosing to forgive. This, of course, confirms that healing itself is a choice. In other words, others may have hurt us, but our choice not to forgive keeps the pain and suffering alive. Therefore, our life cannot and will not improve faster than we improve, and we cannot and will not improve faster than our ability to love and forgive.

Conversely, when we say, “No,” to living a life of love and forgiveness, we keep ourselves bound to the past and out of the moment, wherein Peace is found. When we say, “Yes,” to true forgiveness, we are immediately shifted into a state of “grace”—not the kind of grace where you are granted some sort of spiritual amnesty, but the grace that exists in the mind and soul of one who has accepted his or her original identity—holy and sinless.

But why is it that after so many seemingly sincere attempts to forgive, there are still signs that we have not yet reached our goal and found peace and healing?

The archetypal story of the helpless damsel held hostage by the dragon is a metaphor representing the human condition. Without complete forgiveness, we are trapped in the thought systems of the ego that tells us we are weak and flawed and that someone else is responsible for our condition. The damsel, who represents our soul, must wake up and realize she is merely dreaming. Then, even when she wakes up, she all too often has become so used to the nightmare of being controlled by the dragon that she still tiptoes around so as not to awaken the enemy. She is careful to be cautious of what might be lurking around every corner.

Like the princess caught in the dragon’s lair, we can still remember criticisms and hurtful events from the past. These haunted memories still affect us, even though they are no longer actually happening. We must learn to recognize that some of our recurring issues are merely shadows and memories of the days when we had not yet healed. Then, we must learn to not react to such shadows and to instead bid them farewell, moving toward greater love and trust, which comes from seeing all things the way God sees them—healed and Holy. Michael Murdad


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Un forgiveness can lead to resentments which
can be like taking poison,while expecting someone else to die.

Let go & Let God comes to mind.

This thread has great possibilities on and off our stages.

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