I recently bought Dreamweaver and it's pretty cool. But I've heard about a different version with a gaffed pin with a space in the metal, similar to a linking ring ring. Does anyone know what this is called and where I can find it?

Sounds like the Slydini Linking Pins, but I don't know where you can find them.

The original, sadly ripped off by many, is Jerry Andrus' Linking Pins. Slydini routine was without a gaffed pin, just a clever handling.

Jerry's works better than a linking ring type gaff, as it cannot be seen.

Check the major dealers, you may still be able to get them... and ask for Andrus' not a copy.

Pete,

I must differ with you, the trick he is asking about is "piff Paff Poof Outdone", DeVoe Magic put out 30 or 40 years ago.

Also, in Harry Lorrayne's magazine, they published a Slydini routine with gaff pin. Later, put out by a dealer. It was a little different then Andrus gimmick.

The trick is no longer available. I don't know if Andrus is selling his pins any longer. He use to sell a compete set of pins with every gaff you could think of.

I have all to Andrus material.

Bill

The Slydini Pins that were marketed had a gap or "space in the metal" as dave2lift mentions. The Andrus pins were better in my opinion. I have both.

Larry D.

Dreamweaver isn't of that family. It's more related with the Dan Garett stuff, with a little "more"...

Jonathan.

Gaetan Bloom also marketed a version, but the European pins were "strange" looking to those of us here in the Colonies...

Wasn't Pif Paf Poof a "bluff" link? And the Slydini Gold Pins the same??

The Slydini Pins actually include a "key" pin, the same as a key ring found in linking rings.

I'm not sure about Pif Paf Poof but I thought that was a method for linking two ungimmicked pins by essentially putting one closed pin through another closed pin (unlinked at this point), holding one pin by its "tail" with one hand and the other pin by its tail with the other hand, and then pulling the hands in an outward direction so the heads come together and one of the pins quickly opens at the head side and closes again causing the link.

Pete, I have not pulled the items out of my equipment, but I do believe they are similiar.

The "Outdone" is a third gimmicked Safety Pin that was included in the instructions.

The problem I have always has is finding the large 3" pins in stores.

Larry, is correct on the basic old pin penetration trick which sold for $.50. Then the newer verison and extra pin was released.

Bill

So no one knows where to find the Jerry Andrus version? Perhaps someone has the set for sale......?

A brilliant routine with safety pins is David Harkey's, called "Point of No Return." Don't tell anyone.

David Harkey's "Point of No Return" is a variation/additional use of Jerry Andrus' Linking Pins gimmick. He uses the gimmick in a different way to link to business cards. This is an excellent presentation in a corporate/business setting which gets your business cards into play. A point of observation (no pun intended) is to not make the pin routine too lengthy, which does tend to make it more of a puzzle rather than a great visual effect.

Oh... by the way... does anyone have a source for the 3 inch silver pins that you can purchase by the gross.

Cheers...

Dave2lift,

Walk over to Magic Inc., they probably have all the Andrus stuff. He always lectures there.

If Jay Marshall is in ask him, he knows everthing.

Bill

Pif paf poof is a (quite easy) move to UN-link two regular pins that are linked together.

The Slydini and Andrus's pins are working with the same principle: but, as mentioned, the "key" stuff is not made in exactly the same way.

There are sometimes some sets of Andrus's pins to sell in second hand sales. I think they are no longer available (anyway, in the places I looked for them.)

I am personally more Garrett-pins-oriented, and so I am happy to have seen Dreaweaver come up, as it adds to this same principle a little "extra" with a stunning penetration.

But, thinking about it, I realise that this little extra could have been done by mixing the Garrett idea with the Slydini/Andrus one.

I wouldn't give away the Dreamweaver "stuff", but its owners (and maybe some others) will understand.
Jonathan.

PS, If someone finds a place where the Andrus's pins are in sale, could him post me the information (PM or here on this thread.) Thanks.

I can get the 3" pins. Try a fabric store.

I use the Garett routine Pindemonium.

Does Dreamweaver use the same method?
Is that what I'm understanding?

Sometimes I got the impression that the spectators were thinking... "well, you're just using fake pins from the magic store"

Not always, just sometimes.

Frank, I PMd you for more details.
Jonathan.

You're right, I stand corrected. It's been so long since I've performed a linking pin routine that I forgot it was an unlink versus a link move. If I remember correctly, each hand holds the tail of its respective pin versus one hand holding a tail and the other hand holding a head.

At the bottom line, I think there are linking effects that are more effective than ANY linking pin effect. One reason is people know that pins open. Whether they see you open or close them to perform the links and unlinks is a different story, but their knowledge that pins open gives them a logical path to a solution and that gives me an uncomfortable feeling.

Larry D.

That's the exact reason I want to find a more convincing method. I heard about a great one that this guy at the magic club does, which turned out to be the Jerry Andrus method. I've heard it's very convincing yet of course there will be those types of people who think you open and close them. I've had a few people accuse me of opening and closing the pins during Dreamweaver, and some have even guessed what the gimmick is.

I think Jay Sankey was on to something when he made 3 Ring Circus, yet I still want to learn the Jerry Andrus effect before I give up on linking safety pin effects completely.

Thank you all, Please do not do this effect. It is all mine.

Thanks
Bill

No problem, as long as linking finger rings is all mine.