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shakuni Inner circle 1170 Posts |
Is there any trick/work in which the cards that are most likely to be selected are placed at the numbers generally thought of? So the queen of hearts is at number 37 and so on? I am working on a stack and want to built in this part in it. Thanks for the help in advance
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Hi shakuni
I use a stack which has several commonly named cards in handy places. If you have not yet created your stack I have a suggestion or two I will send in a PM. Best Greg
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
I talk about that in my book "MirACAAN".
Best, Dorian
Hands-off ACAAN - freely chosen card and number : http://doriancaudal.wix.com/miracaan
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MikeBeaudet Loyal user Becancour 228 Posts |
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On Oct 14, 2014, shakuni wrote: Hi shakuni, Look at this post, may be it can help. Quote:
On Oct 1, 2014, Greg Rostami wrote: Mike
Do your best and forget the rest
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MikeBeaudet Loyal user Becancour 228 Posts |
Your stack can lead to great ACAAN miracles...
Do your best and forget the rest
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
I don't think it's a good idea to build a mem-stack around this trick, even if you based it on reliable information. Even if you drastically cut the odds of ever having to do a displacement, you will still have to displace far more often than not. Anyway, I clicked through Rostami's site out of curiosity, but I got worn down. Here are his odds for 26 positions and half the deck. If someone wants to post the rest, then that would be cool.
#1 is selected : 1 in 19 AS is selected : 1 in 11 #2 is selected : 1 in 34 2S is selected : 1 in 61 #3 is selected : 1 in 34 3S is selected : 1 in 40 #4 is selected : 1 in 42 4S is selected : 1 in 103 #5 is selected : 1 in 34 5S is selected : 1 in 111 #6 is selected : 1 in 52 6S is selected : 1 in 79 #7 is selected : 1 in 30 7S is selected : 1 in 54 #8 is selected : 1 in 17 8S is selected : 1 in 61 #9 is selected : 1 in 30 9S is selected : 1 in 99 #10 is selected : 1 in 32 10S is selected : 1 in 86 #11 is selected : 1 in 29 JS is selected : 1 in 34 #12 is selected : 1 in 18 QS is selected : 1 in 53 #13 is selected : 1 in 26 KS is selected : 1 in 46 #14 is selected : 1 in 42 AH is selected : 1 in 18 #15 is selected : 1 in 50 2H is selected : 1 in 53 #16 is selected : 1 in 49 3H is selected : 1 in 46 #17 is selected : 1 in 32 4H is selected : 1 in 56 #18 is selected : 1 in 69 5H is selected : 1 in 64 #19 is selected : 1 in 60 6H is selected : 1 in 94 #20 is selected : 1 in 82 7H is selected : 1 in 49 #21 is selected : 1 in 46 8H is selected : 1 in 58 #22 is selected : 1 in 40 9H is selected : 1 in 89 #23 is selected : 1 in 22 10H is selected : 1 in 78 #24 is selected : 1 in 96 JH is selected : 1 in 58 #25 is selected : 1 in 102 QH is selected : 1 in 16 #26 is selected : 1 in 122 KH is selected : 1 in 34
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sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts |
Here's the full list (I had too much time on my hands!) I'm not sure where the odds for these are coming from though...
(Number, Odds) 1 1:19 2 1:34 3 1:34 4 1:42 5 1:34 6 1:52 7 1:30 8 1:17 9 1:30 10 1:32 11 1:29 12 1:18 13 1:26 14 1:42 15 1:50 16 1:49 17 1:32 18 1:69 19 1:60 20 1:82 21 1:46 22 1:40 23 1:22 24 1:96 25 1:102 26 1:122 27 1:50 28 1:82 29 1:109 30 1:91 31 1:117 32 1:53 33 1:50 34 1:36 35 1:162 36 1:186 37 1:63 38 1:40 39 1:97 40 1:133 41 1:201 42 1:112 43 1:105 44 1:129 45 1:81 46 1:315 47 1:187 48 1:136 49 1:97 50 1:194 51 1:163 52 1:107 (Card, Odds) AS 1:11 2S 1:61 3S 1:40 4S 1:103 5S 1:111 6S 1:79 7S 1:54 8S 1:61 9S 1:99 10S 1:86 JS 1:34 QS 1:53 KS 1:46 AH 1:18 2H 1:53 3H 1:46 4H 1:56 5H 1:64 6H 1:94 7H 1:49 8H 1:58 9H 1:89 10H 1:78 JH 1:58 KH 1:34 QH 1:16 AC 1:52 2C 1:76 3C 1:57 4C 1:83 5C 1:96 6C 1:51 7C 1:36 8C 1:70 9C 1:112 10C 1:102 JC 1:68 QC 1:99 KC 1:68 AD 1:21 2D 1:58 3D 1:53 4D 1:62 5D 1:66 6D 1:69 7D 1:63 8D 1:90 9D 1:104 10D 1:90 JD 1:75 QD 1:81 KD 1:54 |
LesL Regular user 185 Posts |
While a bit better than memorizing a random stack for getting a "hit", you can accomplish more miracles memorizing one of the standard stacks IMO.
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Shadowstalker Regular user 112 Posts |
I think they got the probabilities from people who picked a card and a number for greg Rostamis RA effect.
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MagicKingdom10 Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On Nov 26, 2014, LesL wrote: Completely agree, the whole-view perspective needs to be taken into consideration. There are many established effects created by many great minds on the standard stacks, you would have to "reinvent the wheel" if you plan to design your own stack. To be honest I am already quite happy with my ACAAN effects using the mnemonica so there is no motivation to make any adjustments. However the list does give some meaningful insight into the probabilities of people choosing numbers and card names. Thank you guys for providing that!!
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MikeBeaudet Loyal user Becancour 228 Posts |
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On Nov 27, 2014, Shadowstalker wrote: You're right.
Do your best and forget the rest
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sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts |
What's interesting is some of the things you notice when you sort them into order of probability - the Aces are mostly at the top of the list, and of course the AS and QH are #1 and #2, respectively. What I found interesting is to see the nines near the bottom (9C/9D).
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
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On Nov 26, 2014, sgtgrey wrote: Well done. Does anybody want to order the position numbers and cards by likelihood? I wonder if the results are slightly skewed since the Ace of Spades is the default choice... I'm a little surprised that the most chosen seven is the 7C, though I've had that one named quite a bit. I'm more surprised that 38 has been chosen (in this set) more often than 37. The relative unlikelihood of someone choosing 35 or 36 also seems to highlight the futility of basing a deck around this trick.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
charlie_d Loyal user 247 Posts |
In my mostly pointless dreamquest for a better stack, I experimented with commonly chosen cards. Here's a great list:
http://www.perceptionweb.com/perception/editorials/p7175.pdf The most practical way I found to use this information was to make the aces 'locator' cards (corner shorts, breather crimps, belly strippers - but especially corner shorts) and place the most common cards either one or two cards above or below the aces, and at the top and bottom of the deck. This gives you at least 22 (5*4 + top + bottom) cards you can instantly cut to for a reveal. You probably only need 12 or so though. I think this is a better way to use the principle than trying to sort the cards by likelihood. At least this way, you can distribute the cards through the stack mostly however you like, so the stack looks a lot more random. |
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