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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
I have been getting some messages about where to get Ultimate ESP again. Well, I got a new, more reliable printer and a new link for you! The Ultimate ESP Marked Deck is back and better than before!
They look like classic ESP (or Zener) Cards from the early 20th century but they hold a clever secret only you can see! On the backs are an antique design reminiscent of the early 1930s. These are exactly the type of cards JB Rhine may have used in his famous psychic experiments at Duke University! Flawlessly embedded on the backs of each card is an almost sinister secret, even other magicians may have trouble seeing it! Yes, these are the Ultimate Marked ESP Cards! Most marked card effects will work with this standard deck of 25 cards. Also, since the 1st iteration of Version 1.0 in 2012, these have been improved with a superior resolution for clearer effect! Amaze friends and clients with your mental and psychic fortitude and order a pack today! Digital instructions will be sent with the order. Expect delivery in 3-4 weeks. This is the same set that Paul Prater has been using lately! Go here to get your set today: http://vincewilsonmagic.com/home/creatio......p-v-1-1/
VINCE WILSON
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
The link doesn't work
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
These look like attractive cards, and I suspect they will be used by many, but I would be very careful about making claims that they "look like classic ESP (or Zener) Cards from the early 20th century" or "are exactly the type of cards JB Rhine may have used".
Those early cards look nothing like this, and there may well be people in your audience who know so. It's always wise to keep things accurate, or at least not easily falsifiable. Click here to view attached image.
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
I understand ddyment, but look closely at the wording: "the type of cards JB Rhine may have used". I never said they WERE the cards but a TYPE they MAY have used. Who knows? They indicative of early 20th century design on the backs, and maybe with all the hundreds of decks they went through, Rhine and his team may used similar cards at some point. Here is Rhine using printed cards:
I like white on black better though. Looks spookier.
VINCE WILSON
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
But we do know. They are not a type he "may" have used. His records indicate the types he used (there were three), and none looked anything like "The Ultimate ESP Marked Deck".
My point, though, is not to criticize the carefully-constructed advertising wording, but to warn performers that it may not be a good idea to represent these cards as such to their audiences.
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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
I am afraid that is a little paranoid. The secret to Houdini's milk can escape and every street magic illusionist in the world are available on the internet and specifically on YouTube. If we worried about every person who was nosy enough to look up the 360 degree arm twist or how to do a straight jacket escape, there would be no more magical performances. You, my friend, and please, no offense, are over analyzing an effect based on a parapsychologist's experimental apparatus used almost a century ago that most people have never even heard of. They are only aware of Zener or ESP cards, for most the part, because of Ghostbusters. Jim Crow's White Star Illusion becomes useless if someone looked at the dossier with pictures at the Titanic Museum, but I doubt it is a huge risk.
If you knew what my full time job is, you wouldn't want to counter argue this any further. But I am curious, where did say that Rhine only used 3 decks? and how do you know what their backs looked like? Also, do you really believe that with more than 40 years of research and thousands of experiments using Zener cards that he only used three?
VINCE WILSON
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
I have described (and stand by) my concern, in what I hoped was a gentle manner. I prefer not to respond to attacks; "viktorbc" is at liberty to worry about whatever he chooses. I disagree with his proffered opinions, as is equally my right.
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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
I wasn't attacking and would never do so. I am genuinely curious about your source purely for the gained knowledge. I would really like to know.
VINCE WILSON
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
Google?
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
Google?
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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
I thought so too Jaizon, but I could not find that info on Google. But, like I said, I am sure you can do the routines a million times and no one would pop up and say, "Those aren't Rhine cards!" LOL.
Seriously though, you could just say in your patter, "These are Rhine's secret cards! The ones he only used for his unauthorized, more esoteric, experiments!"
VINCE WILSON
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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On Oct 22, 2014, viktorbc wrote: Why would you bother? And to be truthful, it sounds rather silly to me. Your cards are attractive and cool looking, but they are nothing like what was used by Rhine. Why argue and push a line of BS that we all know is BS? Just say they are ESP testing cards, using the symbols that Rhine used in his famous testing. At least we could say that with a straight face. Tony |
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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
Yeah, you could do that too. But you are essentially saying that ALL magic is BS. I can name over a dozen illusions that mix history and made-up history involving the Titanic, Jack the Ripper, the Wild West, etc. If you performed these illusions in a museum, you might have some risk, but to say there is a real threat of it being exposed because you just happen to have one of the few parapsychologists left in the world in you audience, is far, far less realistic. There is nothing wrong with my wording. You can see similar wording on any number of websites selling bizarre magic. Go tell Lebanon Circle that Detective Abberline never had such a repository or tell Outlaw Effects about how no witches were burned at the stake. They do not worry about these inaccuracies when they use them in their promos because they know most people don't even know what country the Ripper killed in or anything about the Salem Witch Trials. All Bizarrists developers use some BS in their patter. If you are good illusionist with a good patter you can still create the suspension of disbelief you need.
VINCE WILSON
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
I guess you are serious.
If it works for you, that is great, but for me it does not work for me. Your cards look great, I said that earlier, but they in no way resemble any card that could be created in the 1930s. I see no reason you have to say that they are from that period. As for your examples, living a town over from Salem, anything I do is historically accurate. But I see your point, some people don't care about this. There is a lot of crap out there. Forgive me for posting my thoughts. Tony |
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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
No need to forgive. I think you are a very bright guy Tony. I have read your posts before. I am not angry or upset.
If you read my wording carefully you can also interpret like this: The backs of the cards are based on early 20th century playing cards. If JB Rhine came across them, he might have used them. Also, I am huge, huge fan of Rhine and if you went to the Rhine museum in NC you will find remnants of decks of cards he used. Yes, these are cards I designed, but we seriously have no idea what kind of cards he used ALL THE TIME. He could have had cards he only used for display, or for friends and family or certain colleagues.
VINCE WILSON
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Oct 22, 2014, viktorbc wrote: The link goes to an empty webpage. |
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viktorbc Special user Baltimore 648 Posts |
VINCE WILSON
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Tim Cavendish Inner circle 1404 Posts |
"These are exactly the type of cards JB Rhine may have used[...]"
"EXACTLY" is absolutely specific. It makes a concrete promise. But "MAY HAVE USED" is wholly unspecific, and it defaults on that promise of "EXACTLY". They cancel each other out, and this sentence implodes. It is utterly devoid of meaning. Worse, this is not just sloppy speech, but carefully constructed sales rhetoric to excite the would-be-customer, and then weasel out of any promises. As a reader, I find this totally alienating. As a buyer of magic, it warns me to distrust this seller and this seller's products. |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Whatever Tim, you haven't seen nothing yet. It's quite obvious you're new here.
My order is in. These look perfect for my requirements. |
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