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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
UK version arrived this morning from Merchant of Magic. The gimmick is very cool indeed. Can't wait to road test it.
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Cole Gross Elite user Fresno, CA 437 Posts |
All of the preorders for the UK version were sent out yesterday from Hocus Pocus. I personally tested each one to be sure they were all functioning correctly.
I hope you all enjoy them and if you have any questions about it please let me know. Cole |
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mkarav Regular user Westwood, NJ 108 Posts |
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On Nov 4, 2014, jerdunn wrote: Thanks this observation is very perceptive. I am guessing but it seems that there are 6 permutations ( 3 choices - 1 in pocket X 2 (objects left over). I guess the gimmick eliminates 3 choices (say in object in pocket)and the other two possibilities are handled by who is reading the prediction (the ambiguous "I" and "You"). |
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JackMagic Inner circle 1982 Posts |
This is all covered in the DVD
So all very logical |
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Platt Inner circle New York 2011 Posts |
This was performed for me in a local magic shop. The prediction tag is a bit bulky and looks more like something you'd see attached to rental car keys than an everyday keychain tag. So I'm not sure I'd keep it on my keychain on a regular basis. As for the above wording, it's pretty simple. The magician is committed to his prediction or the spectator is committed to where he put the objects. I never loved the word play in the original 'free will' trick. With the gimmick and cleaner handling, it makes the wording a bit tougher to decode as there's still no explaining the item in the pocket. I've been trying this with Craig Filcetti's Finders Keypers gimmick (a key, a coin and a keychain) and it works brilliantly. Really just one of so many incredible things you can do with that gimmick. The worst use of it is actually the intended 'guess which hand' trick. Everything can be decided on with your back turned and prediction truly written on ungimmicked business card that sits on the table the whole time.
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DigaMag Veteran user Indonesia 308 Posts |
I just got this... but have not watch the dvd yet... just playing around with the gimmick and this is Freakin GENIUS!!! Oh my GOD I'm really loved it... I'm so excited... I just can't wait to perform this miracle to my audiences at my gig... eventhough English isn't my national language but I think it doesn't matter...
Thanks Paul Harris and the team to bring this out... Diga |
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
I also just received this from Steve, and
can't put it down..great effect...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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Raj Suman Veteran user 318 Posts |
Mine is the UK version. the bold writing sits deeper in the gimmick and then looks a bit odd comparing to the first bit of writing, more blurred and not on the same level. it is looking a bit fishy to me. is everyone's the same or is mine not properly working?
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Bro Gilbert New user 79 Posts |
Hi Raj, please send me a private message with a photo attached if possible and I will have a look and make sure you are taken care of.
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Martin Waring Loyal user York, England 254 Posts |
Tried this out (the UK version) for the first time strolling around at a gig last night, after my usual tried and tested effects , when everyone was well warmed up and in the mood to see something else. It was a party setting in a large house so I had the scope to do this about 6 times to different groups in different rooms. I'd already had several discussions about how I got into magic and how did one learn new stuff so I used this to demonstrate how I learn new stuff by test driving new effects, like this one. (Basically my cop out in case it didn't go to plan).
The second group nearly didn't go to plan as my spectator holding my keys and fob was very eager to read the prediction and almost ruined the outcome in her eagerness to read the words. Luckily I managed to salvage the situation in time. My take away from that experience is maybe mention a prediction in connection with the key fob to start with but not to show it or to state that its written on the underside of the key fob. I had no difficulties with the linguistic subtleties - seemed to fly by everyone - even with my (initially) stumbling performance. So yes. I'm happy to add this to my repertoire. The reactions are good. Not great (but that's probably down to my delivery as much as anything and can be worked on). I am familiar with the non-gimmicked version and have performed it but I still like this version as well. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Just got this works very well , just find the writing so small hard for specs to read easily . Great gimmick though 😃
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Baelrath New user 65 Posts |
Another vote for a Dutch version
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nickward1965 New user 1 Post |
I have been flicking through the posts and apologise if this has been mentioned.But on spectator handling I have found if held wrongly the prediction will change.Any thoughts on this would be most welcome.
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Bro Gilbert New user 79 Posts |
Hi Nick the spectator should be able to fully examine the prediction once it is out of the clip. Send me a private message and I will make sure you are taken care of
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
Truly cool gimmick. I find the "I have committed myself" not worth reading at all, no matter hat, when the prediction is revealed. Most of the suggested wordplay around it is silly. When the spectator has to be 'I' that's definitely the weakest circumstance, but using the "committed myself" to justify it just isn't as effective as simply saying you wrote the prediction with the expectation that the spectator would read the prediction. It's the routine's soft spot, but the free will principle plus this gimmick makes for a pretty strong effect.
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
It sounds like you misunderstand the lines use. "I have committed myself" is a call back and reframing to convince the spec that it makes sense for you/them to be reading the prediction.
I'd respectfully suggest watching the DVD again (it's easy to miss stuff first time around) but also watching Steve Haynes performing on youtube to see how he handles the subtleties |
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
Agreed. "I have committed myself" is key to the verbal strategy.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
I understand the rationale. I find it forced and completely unconvincing, not least because it calls attention to the subterfuge. By purporting to say that you previously indicated, only indirectly, who would read the prediction, you merely focus attention on who reads it, which in turn makes the I/you more conspicuous than if you simply said "read it," or just read it yourself. Also, if it did take several passes at the DVD to understand the rationale for the "I have committed myself" (which is there principally because something needs to be written there) that would tend to undermine the contention that it's a clear, un-suspicious aspect of this. However, the fact that any of the three things can go in the pocket is so strong that it seems likely to overwhelm the far, far weaker disposition of the other two.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
On Nov 30, 2014, PHSIS wrote:
Hi All Another way that might make it easier to understand the spectator reading "I have committed myself". It's the same as though you gave someone a pre-printed contract..where the person reading the contract didn't write it himself..but understands that it's about his agreement..as in "I agree to the terms of this contract" or "I have committed myself to this agreement". Joy Janet Harris With a contract, the 'I' only makes sense because it is expressly defined as a specific person who also signs the contract. The idea that nudging people with "you committed yourself, right?" Will obliterate the competing and more logical understanding where the person writing the prediction committed himself, to the prediction, is borderline preposterous. Likewise, the way this gesture of confusion is being called 'nuance' and the DVD is being held out as some kind of treatise on verbal complexity is just weird,mad are all the contortions in all the performances that dwell at all on "I committed myself." It should have just said "Prediction," with equivoqur-type techniques - good ones - used to quickly establish who reads it ( which is really only an issue when the spectator reads it, as the 'I' will always be more incongruous in that circumstance. Yes, the spectator "committed" himself to some choices, by pointing that out does absolutely nothing to resolve the oddity that someone else is the 'I' in a prediction that I wrote. |
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ManchurianMan83 Veteran user United Kingdom 305 Posts |
This whole 'I have committed myself' thing is seriously not an issue when you put an ounce of creative thinking into it.
My handling is thus and, as it's pretty much been the only outcome I've experienced so far, it always gets great reactions. Firstly, I NEVER refer to it at the start as a prediction! That way, if outcome B (spectator is the "I") occurs then I'm not caught short trying to make a 'written prediction' make sense being written from their perspective. The thing I think people are getting hung up on. I start by briefly showing them the fob, saying something about free will as I do so....not enough that they can actually read it but enough they can confirm they can see text. We go through the choices, and the great thing about Fair Play is by the time one object has gone in their pocket, you can already start preparing for the relevant outcome. The moment they hand you the next item you'll immediately know the direction to take the effect before it's even over. Outcome A: Now I address the text as a prediction that I wrote and committed myself to. I read it and all matches Outcome B: I talk about free will and how we are easily influenced by outside forces...advertising, friends...some methods can be even more deceptive and harder to notice such as subliminal messaging, suggestion and the like. I mention that they made a serious of choices which they 'committed themselves' too (I don't hammer it home but I DO use the phrase to help cement the perspective shift) which they must at the time felt was fair but I then ask them 'but what if you were following a set of instructions you had no idea about?....remember I showed you this text before we started? Now read it properly and discover what you did!' Boom! Now Outcome B matches the text on the slate fine! It was never a prediction! I treat it as a 'written example' of direct influence over their decisions. Mind Control! They saw the text at the start but not enough to legibly understand what it said but I suggest their subconscious did, hence the outcome. Never had it be an issue presented that way. In fact, reactions have been fantastic. I almost enjoy that outcome over 'Outcome A'...because that's just a boring prediction at the end of the day. |
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