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Taveren001 Regular user Pennsylvania 174 Posts |
Now that, my friend, I would call, a "preternatural" occurrence.
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
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On Sep 2, 2015, Taveren001 wrote: You would think so...... Another day has passed..... and still no book..... Ray |
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Taveren001 Regular user Pennsylvania 174 Posts |
In all seriousness, please do not despair. I believe the the wait will be well worth it. I am sure it is a delivery issue, and not a source issue (USPS or UPS issue, not Outlaw Effects). But even so, I believe once it is in your hands, you will be quite pleased and start to think about a variety of presentational ideas. In the meantime, I will use all my superstitious powers to help the book find it's way home to you. Good luck.
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CryptKeeper New user 42 Posts |
Are there any real reviews on this? It seems that lots of individuals now have had this in hand for a while. Are people using it or coming up with any ideas like how to use it? I was thinking of getting it but I'm sensing people are a little unsure of what to do with it? Or am I completely out of line? It is more like a curiously item which you could craft a story around?
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Pasteboard Alchemist Special user 502 Posts |
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On Sep 2, 2015, CryptKeeper wrote: I saw your introduction on the other thread, but never got around to welcoming you. So: welcome to the forum, CryptKeeper! Although I spent a good deal of time going over my copy and reading the OE dedicated forum and the like, I wanted to hold off writing a review until I'd gotten my hands on a "standard aged" copy (I requested mine unaged as I thought the tea aging wouldn't jibe with the time period for my tastes). Now that a somewhat-local friend was kind enough to bring his to our last get-together so I could weigh it against the one I received and see one "aged as intended", my steam to write a review has died out. Why? Because I don't really have much good to say about it. And, frankly, it's no fun to write a review tearing something apart ("If you don't have anything nice to say..." and all that). If folks out there like it, that's excellent and I value their opinion. My personal opinion happens to swim contrary to theirs in this instance, though, so I'm inclined to not detail it all out and deal with the sure-to-be-posted comments like "If you can't figure out a presentation to do with it that feels right, then you're just not creative enough" and "This-and-that aren't negatives, they're positives that makes the book more creepy." So, instead, I'll just say this: it wasn't for me. Will it be for you? It's really hard to say. What I hear in PMs/phone calls/in-person and what is posted often seem very different, so I'd take all comments (including my own) with a grain of salt and ultimately decide for yourself. |
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MagiChrisMitch Special user 702 Posts |
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On Sep 2, 2015, Magical Dimensions wrote: Ray, were you part of the preorder buyers? |
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
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On Sep 3, 2015, MagiChrisMitch wrote: Yes, I was... I paid for the book on Nov 23, 2014 via PayPal. Best Ray |
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CryptKeeper New user 42 Posts |
Thank you very much for your honest viewpoint it was very helpful Pasteboard Alchemist.Does anyone else have any other reviews or ways that they are using it? High level of course. I would hope no one would say if you are not creative and can't figure out a way to use it then you don't get it. I guess the question is what are we supposed to get exactly? There are lots of pages on this but not many people seem too sure of what they have. At least it seems interesting.
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bartleby Veteran user 361 Posts |
I totally get where PA is coming from. This is not really a gaffed book test. It is a prop, fully examinable. I love it. Just love it. I have sat and leafed through it so many times and will continue to.
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MagiChrisMitch Special user 702 Posts |
The vagueness of yearbook has become tiresome for me. Won't be interested even when it shows up in make a deal section. I decided some time ago that I'll only purchase OE from the used marketplace. This decision will omit future aggravation playing the waiting game that occurs often from this particular cottage industry. At one time, I viewed myself as a great customer, but extending perpetual patience was trying. This is why OE lost me and I read time and time again here that the same cycle repeats. OE creations have always exceeded my expectations and quality has been top notch for these unique items. Their new "Head of Alhazred & Pedestal" is another over the top, creative masterpiece that I would love! Outlaw has never been weak in cleverness, I just have no desire to be part of the expierence anymore. Ray...your a better man than me. Roth not trying to be harsh, but what's the deal?
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
There are book effects produced for magicians where the method is so elegant you fall in love with it. "That is so fricking clever!" And the effect is.. . you gain the information of a sentance. But the method is so clever! I love it! Yearbook isn't like that. There IS a besides the point retrieval of information that isn't elegant. That's not the effect... Book props for magicians aren't really for the magician. They're for the audience. Yearbook is a book that will have greater impact on an audience than most of the elegant booktests. Because of what it is. The story. The object itself. That said, I also have a problem with how Outlaw treats it's customers. I paid for something over a year & a half ago that I've been told isn't going into production anymore. Where is my refund? Why do I have to ask for it?
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Pasteboard Alchemist Special user 502 Posts |
For the record, I'm perfectly fine with the book not being a book test with a defined method. I've many a piece that's sole purpose is as a unique aesthetic piece to build a story around--no method or trickery to be found. My concern centers around some of the aspects done to the book. For example, the integration of 21st century technology into some of the photographs was... confusing to me. For me, it didn't seem to fit in with any narrative the book was telling (that, and two of the first people I showed the book to called these aspects out nearly immediately, which brought the yarn I was spinning to a jolting pause). Again, others may love such aspects and figure out a reason for them existing in the photos that works perfectly well for them--and more power to them! As always: to each their own.
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
The twilight zone, 21st Century out-of-time aspects of Yearbook are in deep background within the book. They'll never be noticed unless you point them out yourself. It took me weeks examing Yearbook to notice them all ( as I posted on the forum ) The hundredth time I show the book and they are noticed? Bonus! I know just what to say. No, Yearbook is about high school friendships gone wrong and vengeance from beyond the grave. I like that those weird little details are in the book though! Even if no one ever sees them
but me......I don't believe PA that anyone noticed those aspects unless you handed them a magnifying glass saying "examine this"! The way I'll use it, there's no way in hill anyone will notice. |
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
With everything being very vague on here. I'm a bit confused. It seems people are stating the effect or method isn't all that great for getting information. So then we've got others who have said its about the story, saying it works as a prop to tell the story. So my question is what separates this from me going on the big auction site and just buying an actual year book from the time? The outlaw book tests I've had WA, Luna, Ipswich reflections are all good on method and impact and tell a story.
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DocBenWiz Special user Meridian, Idaho 992 Posts |
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On Sep 3, 2015, Magical Dimensions wrote: Ray, I empathize with you as I had pre-ordered around the same date as you, but finally received my YB about six months after my order date. My only "review" at the time, was an observation that most of the pages were still noticeably damp from presumed rushing of my copy to me Some may recall that I took a lot of "flack" from some other devotees of YB (who are happy with it now) for my postings about the delays prior to my receiving it. However, I have held off on my review and now find that I do not feel ths need. Pastboard Alchemist and ChrisMatch in their review and comments above have much more elegantly and deftly expressed about 100% of my opinion, attitude, concerns, pluses and minuses regarding YB and OE regarding customer service or lack thereof (I own many of OE's outstanding props, effects and have no regrets for past purchases, since the endurance of any lack of service I experienced has long since passed). I am sure OE will continue to put out some super quality items, but for me YB was the last item amd experience to endure. ( I am taking some time to even consider heading over to the Tricks for Trade or Sale site). I respect Rick's ideas and efforts, despite challenges, but I am sorry to say I had satisfactorily gone elsewhere before and I will continue to make other choices for purchases of this genre from now on.
"Pay no attention to that strange man behind the curtain" (it's only "Doc Benjamin from the Amazing Wizardelia Wagon")
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Pasteboard Alchemist Special user 502 Posts |
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On Sep 4, 2015, reese wrote: Respectfully, Reese, this part of your post that you went back and added after I'd originally read your reply last night is... perturbing. Essentially, you're baselessly calling me a liar and/or a bad presenter. I haven't responded directly to your comments previously, as I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own experiences with the product, so I'd appreciate it if you'd extend me the same courtesy. I suppose there's nothing more I can say than: you're wrong. They noticed with no prompting. And, frankly, if you think someone won't notice an open laptop Photoshopped front-and-center onto a table in the middle foreground of an image so that it is made to appear like one of the primary people in the photo is looking at it while playing an instrument, and that such a thing is "in deep background", then I'd hate to see what you consider overt. Also, I'll note: we're discussing (apparently arguing) about this aspect of the book as if it were a mistake. A binding error, an accidental misspelling, or as if it were something mistakenly left in a modern photo. "Don't worry, nobody will notice." This isn't a mistake. This is something purposefully injected into the book, which doesn't beg the response "Well, it's okay... nobody will see it." It demands the response "Why was this put there, and how did the maker intend for it to further the narrative of the prop?" And an acceptable answer isn't "Anything is fair game, because it's up to the purchaser to make sense of it to a spectator." If that's the case, then where's the line? At what point are aspects thrown into the book with no explanation or bearing upon the story given actually detrimental? My intent is not to come here and bash anyone with a positive opinion of this product. If someone enjoys it, excellent! If they say "All 293 people I've shown this book to have completely thought in genuine, been enthralled by the story, and threw hundred dollar bills at me when I was done performing" then I believe them and I congratulate their success and their experience. I have no reason not to. My intent, rather, is to do what no one else to date has done: relate my experience and give any sense of concrete info about the product so people can at least be aware of what's arriving. After this many pages of a thread and people still saying "Wait... what exactly is it, again?" I think it's good that we're having this discourse. At least it will inform people who are considering purchasing this. And if they do purchase it, good for them! |
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bartleby Veteran user 361 Posts |
I'd be happy to discuss how I plan to use this and give prospective buyers some more insight downstairs. I totally see why some people might not enjoy it, but it is exactly what I needed, and if you are like me you may love it.
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Sean Xem Loyal user New York 235 Posts |
Without going into too much detail on a public forum, I use YB for a seance routine. I tell the story about YB and the haunted artifact in front of them, and then afterwards I call upon the spirit of the student victim using some spirit slates I purchased through Marc Charisse. Pretty simple, but I feel the YB prop and story flow perfectly into the seance.
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
Sorry PA, I certainly don't think you're dishonest in the least. I don't like those futuristic elements too much either. The way I'm handling it they'll never be noticed. I do like the repeating time reflected in clocks & elsewhere; that's useful to me... I feel bad that I phrased things stupidly in my post. I apologize man.
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
Just want to add: when I first saw the photo with the "laptop", I didn't identify it as such. I viewed it within the context of the times. I thought it was a briefcase propping up sheet music... I do like the "demons", bad souls, in the background of many of the photos. I won't use them. It's cool that they're there.
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