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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
This thread has kind of gotten off topic. The original question concerned the trade-off inheritant in most levitations.
That is, you can float a measly few inches, but at least you do it without any cover, or the other side of the trade off is that you can go several feet in the air, but then you have to weaken the effect somewhat by covering yourself with a cloth. In the first example the weakness is that you can only rise two or three inches. In the second example, the weakness is the cloth or jacket covering needed. (But at least you go up high!) So the question is this: Which of the two is the strongest in most spectators eyes? Two inches with no cloth, or several feet covered with a cloth or jacket? That was my simple question. Put yourself in a spectators place. Which would you rather be a witness to? Which would leave the strongest impression on you?
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Mikey-Flys Regular user Edmonton, Alberta 179 Posts |
For me, the 2 inches or so with no cover I'd find a lot more amazing than 2 feet with cover. Like others have said a spectator could (and likely would) come up with lots of ways it could be done with cover and this *would* be the solution for them.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I understand what you are saying Mickey, but consider that we magicians have for centuries covered objects to make the magic happen. That includes everything from bowls of water to our assistants.
It is pretty well accepted as "something the magician does" In that light, do you think the suspicion is lessened to a degree?
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
It is alright for the spectators to come up with what they feel is an explaination. That is what makes the magic. Questioning?
There is no better illustion in my mind then Aga Asrah, floating 10' in the air and vanishing that is fantastic. Unfortunately I have never seen the one where they float out over the audience. |
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I think it would be a lot more impressive to me personally to get 2 or 3 inches with no cover. Having a cloth may be justified but I will always just assume you had something hidden behind it. This may not give me the secret, but I wouldnt be as impressed. If there was no cover I would have no where to go. What could be keeping the magician up?? That to me would be far more impressive. Just my opinion...
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
We're talking street magic. That means NO COVER is way more impressive.
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paisa23 Inner circle 7293 Posts |
Well the only one I have ever done is the Balducci and since Blaine, that secret has been destroyed time and time again. I do not own either wild lev or elevator. I am in a hard spot because I want one, but I'm not sure which one though.
I heard a magician say once that "the definition of magic was that for one split second, just one, you made someone think that something was possible when otherwise they never thought it could be. Then your job as a magician was accomplished...that is truly magic.." And I agree; how many times after an effect someone says there has to be a trick, or I know how you did it (no clue by the way?) whether they do or don't. They will leave either mad or astonished. Anger for not knowing how it's done and messing with their beliefs, and astounded because they might just believe. Either way your job is done Now, someone tell me which one to get !!!! wild lev or elevator. Thanks.
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
The Elevator, especially if Mr Loughran markets the E2 (hint hint Mr L)
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
You don't even have to put thought into that question. Elevator. Wild lev in my opinion is no where near as good. Goodluck with whichever you buy though.
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Mushu Loyal user 253 Posts |
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On 2004-02-14 11:27, daffydoug wrote: Let's look at it this way - if you had to drape something over the works everytime you had to do a link or unlink with the linking rings, would it be more or less amazing than if you did it in the open? Or if you draped a jacket over your head while you were doing rope-thru-neck? Or did the Balducci while wearing a floor-length skirt? It becomes more of a puzzle - what was it that he did under cover to accomplish that effect - what is it that he's hiding? |
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
MUSHU
Yes! It becomes more of a puzzle and less of a trick. If you can melt two rings apart with no cover, it is real magic. If you cover the rings with a cloth and then proceed to 'do something' then you are not performing an act of magic, you're just giving the audience a puzzle to work out. If I can perform real magic why should I need to cover the rings? Why can't I just melt them apart? Same with levitation IMHO. |
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Martin Reinertz Regular user 125 Posts |
I don't agree... you're comparing apples and bananas here. Of course, it would be less impressive if you covered the rings with a cloth or if you did balducci in a long skirt. However, in your examples the actual EFFECT is covered - not so with Wild Levitation! You're not covering your feet which are clearly seen to be going up in the air.
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
You've made a good point Martin. Very true. I still think that Mushu has the wrong idea that covering things during magic (generally) will make it more mysterious. I do however take on-board that this may not be the case so much with levitations
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I don't agree. I don't think it matters if the feet themselves are covered or not because a levitation is a whole body effect. Even if they see the tips of your feet, youre still covering your legs which I think weakens the effect. I do like Wild Levitation though, I just don't think it would be as impressive as something with no cover such as the elevator.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On 2004-02-19 17:08, Mushu wrote: I agree with you about the puzzle aspect, but on the other hand, it's pretty much traditional and even "expected" of magicians. We will never get away from it. Look at Copperfield, for example, watch a few of his TV specials, and you will see the employment of covering cloths literally over and over again. In fact, you and I well know, that without that ruse, probably over half of his stage illusions would be impossible, and would have to be scrapped. It's a sad fact of the magical life. Still, Copperfields illusions look astounding, even with the cloth. It hasn't stopped him from rising to the top.
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Oz Fan Loyal user 277 Posts |
It is better to rise a few inches uncovered than it is a few feet and be covered with a cloth.
My fav. levitation is the balducci/blaine levitation.
Blake S.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2004-02-11 18:01, guitarfreak wrote: Yes, you can purchase the stuff to make the Wild Levitation for half of what it costs to buy the levitation, itself. But you don't get the secret or the extra preparation necessary. And you don't have the right to perform it if you simply rip it off. That may be hard to swallow, but it's true. No trick that works well is a ripoff. The E2 is definitely better than the original elevator. The main thing in any of this is the impression the watchers have of what you did. If you convince them that you have actually floated, no matter how far, you have done your job. That's the whole thing. It's up to you.
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D2 New user 3 Posts |
I have some secerat levitations these levitations are unheard of and that are realy cool. I will name you some ghost jump my favorit hight one foot. spirits in the sky you can fly over peoples heads itsucks. ravens flight is ok one foot high.rue morge,liberal levitation,dracula risen,cby levitation and supream levitation
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Not to sound rude, but none of those are "secret" Spirits in the Sky and Rue Morgue is on a Doc Hilford tape or something like that...The name escapes me now, but I remember it from a few years back when levitations were big. Same goes for all the others you mentioned, they all came out when the levitation craze was around. Oh and none of them go a foot high. And none of them work
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kilgourpower New user London 72 Posts |
I just got my Elevator!!!
Its good,im exited,im going upstairs to practice! |
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