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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
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Yes! It becomes more of a puzzle and less of a trick. If you can melt two rings apart with no cover, it is real magic. If you cover the rings with a cloth and then proceed to 'do something' then you are not performing an act of magic, you're just giving the audience a puzzle to work out. If I can perform real magic why should I need to cover the rings? Why can't I just melt them apart? Same with levitation IMHO. |
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Martin Reinertz Regular user 125 Posts |
I don't agree... you're comparing apples and bananas here. Of course, it would be less impressive if you covered the rings with a cloth or if you did balducci in a long skirt. However, in your examples the actual EFFECT is covered - not so with Wild Levitation! You're not covering your feet which are clearly seen to be going up in the air.
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
You've made a good point Martin. Very true. I still think that Mushu has the wrong idea that covering things during magic (generally) will make it more mysterious. I do however take on-board that this may not be the case so much with levitations
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I don't agree. I don't think it matters if the feet themselves are covered or not because a levitation is a whole body effect. Even if they see the tips of your feet, youre still covering your legs which I think weakens the effect. I do like Wild Levitation though, I just don't think it would be as impressive as something with no cover such as the elevator.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On 2004-02-19 17:08, Mushu wrote: I agree with you about the puzzle aspect, but on the other hand, it's pretty much traditional and even "expected" of magicians. We will never get away from it. Look at Copperfield, for example, watch a few of his TV specials, and you will see the employment of covering cloths literally over and over again. In fact, you and I well know, that without that ruse, probably over half of his stage illusions would be impossible, and would have to be scrapped. It's a sad fact of the magical life. Still, Copperfields illusions look astounding, even with the cloth. It hasn't stopped him from rising to the top.
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Oz Fan Loyal user 277 Posts |
It is better to rise a few inches uncovered than it is a few feet and be covered with a cloth.
My fav. levitation is the balducci/blaine levitation.
Blake S.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2004-02-11 18:01, guitarfreak wrote: Yes, you can purchase the stuff to make the Wild Levitation for half of what it costs to buy the levitation, itself. But you don't get the secret or the extra preparation necessary. And you don't have the right to perform it if you simply rip it off. That may be hard to swallow, but it's true. No trick that works well is a ripoff. The E2 is definitely better than the original elevator. The main thing in any of this is the impression the watchers have of what you did. If you convince them that you have actually floated, no matter how far, you have done your job. That's the whole thing. It's up to you.
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D2 New user 3 Posts |
I have some secerat levitations these levitations are unheard of and that are realy cool. I will name you some ghost jump my favorit hight one foot. spirits in the sky you can fly over peoples heads itsucks. ravens flight is ok one foot high.rue morge,liberal levitation,dracula risen,cby levitation and supream levitation
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Not to sound rude, but none of those are "secret" Spirits in the Sky and Rue Morgue is on a Doc Hilford tape or something like that...The name escapes me now, but I remember it from a few years back when levitations were big. Same goes for all the others you mentioned, they all came out when the levitation craze was around. Oh and none of them go a foot high. And none of them work
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kilgourpower New user London 72 Posts |
I just got my Elevator!!!
Its good,im exited,im going upstairs to practice! |
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Scott Chesney New user 52 Posts |
I was excited about buying the elevator. Then I read on one site how this guy was guessing that it was a doorstop on a rope up his leg. He bought it and said he was wrong and it was even worse than what he thought. He also said one needs to be an acrobat to be successful with it. Now I am confused, given that it is $100 bucks.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
That was 50% of magic or something like that. I think that site is complete crap. Its apparent he doesn't give much thought into his reviews. It sounds like he opens a trick, reads the instructions and gives a review. Very little tricks work well withought a lot of practise. None of what he said was true. I say buy it. You will be happy with what you get.
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the levitator Special user Spellbound Productions 546 Posts |
I've only been practicing with the Elevator for 2 weeks, and the reaction is so big that I'm almost afraid to perform it. I did it in the Olive Garden parking lot last night and the people I performed it for got literally scared for a minute! It is hands down my favorite levitation. My second favorite is the King's Rising as an impromptu levitation. The Elevator is techinically impromptu if you have the necessary equipment ready to go.
I disagree that you need to be an acrobat to perform the Elevator. You need to be patient, and you need to practice, like any other good effect. There are too many Instant Magicians out there unfortunately that want to master the effects they purchase right out of the box. I'm glad they exist though, because they make serious magicians that put effort and rehearsal into their effects look sooooo much better! |
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alextsui Regular user Malaysia 155 Posts |
I've been reading with interest and amusement your many posts here and I noticed something very characteristic of magicians who have been performing for some time. I'm also guilty of this sometimes and it is that we focus too much on the methods by which we accomplish a certain effect.
Spectators who are not familiar with magic secrets usually react and remember a magic effect very differently. Even if they saw the magician levitate a few inches, usually they would remember (and talk about) the magician as having rose much higher than he did. You have been discussing here about which method is better or the best. I believe that as long as the method achieves the desired effect on the audience, it deserves to be practised well and performed in the right situation or condition. You don't have to choose 1 method over another. For example, in the case of levitation our objective is to build up a convincing and strong illusion of levitation in both the spectator's eyes and mind. I could start off with a levitation that's covered with a jacket. Now the spectator thinks I'm hiding something behind the jacket. Then I throw his mind off-balance by performing an uncovered levitation but not facing him. Now he thinks "Why the strange angle? Maybe he's hiding something that cannot be shown from the front." Finally, I do the Elevator facing him and he's left with no more explanations. David Copperfield tackled the audience similarly with his "Cut" illusion in which his body was severed in half by a laser. He started off "weak" by just moving his supposedly severed body behind a cloth held by 2 assistants. Then he flipped out the audience by ditching the cloth, pushed his upper body to the side and hopped down the ramp in full view. So my point is regardless of which method you employ, you've won the battle if you have created a very strong illusion in the spectator's eyes while at the same time countered all possible explanations in his mind. Alex Tsui
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
Very well said!
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briankbl New user Panama City, FL 5 Posts |
Personally, I'd rather perform a levitation uncovered. But I wouldn't necessarily mind if I had to do it covered either.
As for all the people on here talking about David Copperfield, sure, he was fun to watch in your pre-teens and earlier. But then when you found out that 93-96% of his stage magic is nothing more than "smoke and mirrors" and camera tricks, weren't you dissappointed? I know I was. My point is, you can't bring up Copperfield while talking about Street levitation or Street Magic. Street and Stage Magic are COMPLETELY different.
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RydinDubs New user 31 Posts |
This is just my two cents on this Wild Levitation..... I just checked it out at penquin for the first time and something bothered me about the way it looked...it doesn't look right for your feet to come off the ground and your body (i.e. head, torso) not go up also...just something I noticed
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Your body does go up in WILD levitation... Maybe you saw a bad demo.
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DrBob New user 50 Posts |
It sounds as though you did see a bad demo, I agree.
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