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Nightcrawler New user 80 Posts |
Guys,
I decided to change to silver coins. I have a few 64 Kennedys as well as a few Walkers. I ordered a '64 Kennedy shell and a Walker shell - both from Johnson. The Kennedy shell is awesome. It has a great coverage! The Walker shell seems to be made from a coin that was thinner at one side. The result is, that the coverage at one side is much worse than on the other side. But even the side that provides the better coverage is worse than with the '64 Kennedys shell. Also, all my Walkers sit a little bit loose inside the shell. Is this normal? Can you say, that the chance to receive a good '64 Kennedy shell is higher than receiving a good Walker shell? Now, I am really not sure with which coins I should go. I do a lot of Edge Grip work. Therefore I really like the sharp edges of the '64 Kennedys. I even softened them and now they are almost as quiet as my Walkers. On the other hand I like the design and the feeling of the Walkers much more. I already talked to Todd Lassen because of a Walker Shell set with re-milled edges, but he told me that the Walkers don't look good with re-milled edges. With which coins would you go? And do have similar experiences comparing your '64 Kennedys versus your Walker shell? Thanks in advance! |
Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Sounds like they made the walker shell out of some junk silver walkers, I would contact them and have it replaced (even if I had to provide a better coin to make it with). It sounds almost unusable the way you describe it. As far as which to use? that is entirely up to you. More and more routines (and their gaffs) are being made up in Kennedy Halves and if you want a Walker or similar you must either pay a good bit more or go custom for a lot more. That is one consideration. I personally use all Walkers I have about 4 that are in good shape but a lot that are soft. I too am working a lot with edge grip (working relentlessly on " Misbehavin' " right now) and my soft coins have little to no milling left. It can still be done, it just requires "a touch". If the sharp milling on a Kennedy helps you, by all means use them.
It is also not unheard of to use more than one coin type. Use your Kennedys for your edge grip stuff and pull out your Walkers to do a routine with the "Old coin set your Grandfather taught you with"
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Nightcrawler New user 80 Posts |
Hey Poof-Daddy,
thank you for your answer and your advices. Here are two pictures of the good and the bad side of the shell. What do you think? Is it within a usual tolerance, which I just have to accept or do you think I should reclaim it? Hey, I am working on Misbehavin' too, right now ;-) Yes, I already got the feeling that many coin guys use different coins, but I am just a hobbyist and only perfom spontaneously for friends, etc. I would like to make a decision for a certain type of coins and buy all gaffs I would like to own, which match all my other coins. Do you know what I mean? Thanks for your help, Nightcrawler Click here to view attached image. |
Nightcrawler New user 80 Posts |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
I would at least call them about it if you just got it. I have seen shells with the smaller coverage (cheaper ones) but that is a significant difference on the same shell. More than likely from a pre-worn coin.
As for what to get your gaffs in, If you are "just a hobbyist" I would go primarily with clad coins. Lassen has a nice line of clad gaffs and Johnson (usually) is the working mans coins I reccommend. (this one shell being the exception rather than the rule of them). But, If you have the cash and just want to "class up" your hobby - go walkers or 64 Kennedy's. It is up to you, The magic is way more in the presentation than what coin you use. I switched to Walkers many years ago because I would get hungry while on the road at my job and end up spending my Kennedy halves at Burger King 2 days before payday. Lost a couple expensive gaffs by accident that way so I switched. (That is really the only reason I have everything in Walker now) (I do have several quarter gaffs but I keep them pursed and away from any spending money I may carry)
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
I just looked at two WL expanded shells I had on me and both have some variability in the amount of coverage in different spots.
Unless the shell was made from a pristine coin, I suspect it has to do with how particular coins aged / wore down. One is the outermost shell from a Schoolcraft 3CF, the other is from a hopping halves set of unknown origin. As for coins fitting loosely in the shell, silver coins wear down in circulation not only on their faces (leading to "soft" coins) but around the diameter as well. If your coins are are pristine or at least new-ish, then a loose fit is definitely a problem with the shell. If your coins are older and well worn (especially naturally very "soft" coins) I'd say that's more likely to be expected. When I first got my 3CF the outer shell was a tight fit on the WLs I picked up to match my OxF set (which I sold to "trade up" to the 3CF). I ended up going to a local coin shop and picked out several older more worn coins that fit perfectly. If I were to try to fit them to the original OxF shell I'm sure they'd be quite loose. That's one of the benefits of buying a shell "set" where the coins have been sized to match. A stand-alone, more generic shell is more likely to have a looser fit to accommodate a wider range of coins w/out getting stuck. |
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