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This is it. It is available at Penguin, too.

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/......g-stick/
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"Easy Rough" is Harry's older version. It is not as good as the newer version.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Thank you for answering.
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Thanks for the helpful reviews and comments - I did go ahead and buy one, and have used it to make a couple of IDs. Two questions for the experts here... what is your preferred method of applying? Do you coat the entire card using the long end, make an "X" with the tip, etc.? I have a hard time finding that sweet spot between too much and not enough. Also not sure I need to coat the entirety of the card, etc. For example, in one effect I have, I like the spectators to deal off the top of a coated deck. If it's TOO sticky, they will notice.

My first deck attempt was too sticky to let spectators freely handle until I had done worn the deck in after about 20 uses I'd guess. But that leads into my second question. Now that deck has some serious wear on it, but nothing outrageous, and it seems not be sticky enough. So how would you rate the durability of the cards staying as a proper ID as compared to spray?

Thanks very much!
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Harry covers everything in the download. you do not cover the entire card. You can't separate them if you do. You just very lightly use it.
watch the download, all will be revealed.
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On Aug 1, 2015, KristoBall wrote:
Thanks for the helpful reviews and comments - I did go ahead and buy one, and have used it to make a couple of IDs. Two questions for the experts here... what is your preferred method of applying? Do you coat the entire card using the long end, make an "X" with the tip, etc.? I have a hard time finding that sweet spot between too much and not enough. Also not sure I need to coat the entirety of the card, etc. For example, in one effect I have, I like the spectators to deal off the top of a coated deck. If it's TOO sticky, they will notice.

My first deck attempt was too sticky to let spectators freely handle until I had done worn the deck in after about 20 uses I'd guess. But that leads into my second question. Now that deck has some serious wear on it, but nothing outrageous, and it seems not be sticky enough. So how would you rate the durability of the cards staying as a proper ID as compared to spray?

Thanks very much!
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Awesome. thank you! I actually didn't realize there was a video and reached out to Vanishing Inc - they sent me the link straight away. Looking forward to watching the tips. Appreciate the fast response.
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Youre welcome and believe me, this is money well spent. The IDs I make with Harry's stick are far superior to any store bought ID. You can overhand shuffle easily and a whole lot more.
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Terrific to hear. I'm actually working on an effect I hope to sell, so I want to make sure any potential buyers will get a quality deck that lasts a long time. thanks for the endorsement, I'm going to use it. I'll let you know when/if the effect is ready too, would be great to get the Café community's opinion on it! Thanks again.
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Just got these - awesome !!!

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I LOVE these sticks. Another wonderful quality of them that isn’t mentioned enough is that they are similar to Science Friction in that you only need to apply it to one card of the pair. So you can get a one way force deck and combine it with a regular deck and easily make up a great forcing deck. And the card they select can be totally untreated so absolutely nothing for them to see or feel.

You can also easily add it to existing decks you already own. For example, I recently got The Omen (which I also love) and in a minute or two added the stick in the necessary areas so now I can spread through and show the entire deck. While this obviously isn’t completely necessary I feel it adds to the cleanliness of the effect. And again, the cards that end up out of the deck are untreated so they can be handled by a spec without worry.

I also use it on business cards as part of a mentalism routine.

Now to be fair, IMO it does wear out a little quicker than other substances. But that’s not a big deal because you can reapply it in seconds. So if you use a certain treated deck constantly it’s a good idea to spend 90 seconds a week just to freshen it up.

Once you have this you’ll discover all kinds of uses for it over time.
BTW, I’ve owned mine for 2 or 3 years and I still have 3/4 of it left, and I’ve used it a ton.
No fumes, no drying time, works wonders, what’s not to like?
Try applying a spray while you’re watching TV in the den and then tell me you don’t see any advantages with the stick. Smile
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I have one of these and it does not seem to be marking properly on the card. Is it possible these sticks can get dried out?
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I purchased mine from Penguin a couple years ago, and could not be happier! It has lasted me all this time, and I make a LOT of roughed cards! I still have a good portion of the stick left.

I love this product!
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Now I have actually taken the time to truly peruse this thread, and I think that even though I love my roughing stick as I said, the reviews of the improvements have swayed me to purchase the newer version.
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Do you need to apply this to both cards that are back-to-back, or just one card?
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Just one card. And typically just one third of one card.
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Just one card. And typically just one third of one card.



Erm... You need to apply to both surfaces.
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No, just one surface.
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Sorry, I meant to say both surfaces, for some reason I was thinking about Frixion spray when I wrote the previous message.
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No, you were actually right the first time.
The roughing stick, like Science Friction, only needs to be applied to one surface.
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3:46 into the actual teaching video (they are making a "Pop Eyed Popper" as a demo), Harry applies one swipe across the middle to both surfaces to make the deck (once on the card face then the next on the card back) so EVERY card gets an application on one side or the other, just one application to each card.

I have just about every "roughing product out there" and find this to be "My" least favorite. That does not mean that it doesn't work or is totally inferior to other methods, it just means I will never make this my first choice. I made an ID following the instructions - medium pressure, one quick swipe across middle of surface using the short side. I too had clumps form at first (like speed bumps) but I peeled them away and re-applied with a gentler pressure. My deck however, barely fits back in the card box now. The roughing stick material has greatly thickend the center of the deck. I am sure over time and practice this can go down some, but due to what the material is, it will always leave at least some added thickness.

As for the sick itself, it looked very familiar to me when I opened the box (I bought two for the special price at VI and because of several great reviews over time). Anyway, it looked so familiar, I went one of my many magic drawers (I store different effect types as well as needed extras in different drawers) and I pulled out two small black and clear containers I bought years ago from the mall magic chain "Magic Max" and the two side by side items were the exact same size color and consistency (without going thru lab analysis) so I tried my old stuff with the same result.

Needless to say, I am a bit underwhelmed by this product "compared to" much better products I own and that are on the market and/or easy to obtain at the local hobby shop or Walmart. You may get better mileage out of this and that is fine, I'm just saying for what it really appears to be, I will not be using it often, if at all. (I do see some lesser level potential for it though).
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