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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
We all know there is an issue with the ad. You've made that crystal clear and don't need to repeat it over and over.
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Sorry Sean but your comment "we all know" is not quite true. Sorry to be perdantic and not meaning or trying to cause a fight with you, but if everyone's knows and agrees there is an issue, then there would be no one attacking me with points and comments I have made, but simply everyone should be saying they agree with me, not trying to defend the misleading and inaccurate quote. There is no give or take with this but simply 100% misleading and inaccurate. So why this is so hard to agree on and accept is bizarre.
Like I said, I have left and will leave my correct repetitive points alone, until someone comes on here and tries to argue that the quote is not misleading - which unfortunately is what people have previously done in this thread. More shockingly Michael trying to defend the ad copy. |
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robd Loyal user 251 Posts |
Look, can everyone - EVERYONE - on the Café individually tell PRINCE that he's right? Then we might get the thread back on track.
I like this effect. If it works the way I think it does, then I think you could do it with an un-gimmicked card going through the hole, though you'd need to clean up in a slightly more complicated and less clean manner. Could work though. |
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Mickael New user 81 Posts |
Hello everybody and thanks for your reviews ! Hole 2.0 is already a huge success and we have many good reviews from people who have already receive it ! thanks to all...
Concerning the many many reviews from Prince, it doesn't matter for me, I just see the positive reviews from many different people and just one who are unhappy with my trailer,... sorry for him ! it needs to be one "black sheep" anytime !! for Hole 2.0 it's Prince, it's like that ! But I'll remember for my next trailer to choose perfectly my words, even if 99,9% magicians understand this one ! ;-) Of course, everybody understand that the 2 cards with holes are regular and when you give it to examine, you make a sw**** or a t** ch*** and give the rest to examine, this step takes place during a time low. Really I am sure everybody understand that, a lots of magic tricks are like that ! and it is not write into the descriptive or in the trailer !? I asked to Prince to give me just one trailer where we can read "be careful you have to make sw*** or t** ch*** before give to examin !", but no answer from him... He prefers to turn around on word "immediately" ! however 99,9% of professional illusionists, or passionate people understand you can give immediately 2 cards and the third after 0,2", and for me it is really "immediatley" ! no problem with that,no ? People are not accomplice, when you'll receive your Hole 2.0 you can really do what you see on the trailer ! and it is like that with all my creations, it is my letmotive for my tricks ! You know Prince, you don't like me or/and my magic tricks, but I know we can please to everybody and it is normal in fact, no problem ! All reviews + or - are good! Prince, I'm sure you know the the cigarette thru the spec' card ?! I have to teach you, this title is not 100% correct... but everybody understand and know that ! and you ? Prince, the big illusion woman cut in 2 parts, unfortunately there is a secret too ! Maybe you can open a new forum on these tricks and procrastinate on, you can turn around these awful problems, misleading vocabulary ! lol ! Nevertheless, I like you, I like your determination ! lol Then, when you'll receive your HOLE 2.0, I count on you to give me your feelings on the trick, on the DVD,... ! Have good day magic friends ! Mickael Chtatelain www.gimickmagic.com |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Wow - such an immature response and really can't believe some of your comments to address a issue that you have caused. Once again instead of just accepting, you now try and justify giving really poor examples of why it does not matter. Will go into my reply in more detail shortly, but shame on you mickael for 'not caring'. Really unprofessional and to be honest very shocked at your attitude to all this - even though you are completely in the wrong.
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robd Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, PRINCE wrote: Oh good... |
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
I will leave it at this Mickael- it's not just one person realizing your ad was inaccurate and misleading- others have to. Also- if a beginner in magic was reading your ad, No, they would not have realized there was a switch involved. So NO, everybody would not understand as you imply in your condescending and ignorant response to Prince.
RNK
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cardbiker Inner circle 1484 Posts |
I ordered this from Mikael 10 days ago still not received it and no response to my emails,will definitely not buy from him again
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TuneHV Inner circle New York 2063 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, cardbiker wrote: Well it was only released 4 days ago so I would give it a chance to ship. I've ordered from him directly in the past and have had no issues |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I think Prince is being the one who is so immature on this thread . I think he is trying to get his post count up and is being like a dog with a bone on this one . I am in full support with Mickael on this one and also disagree with RNK when he says a beginner would fool for the ad . I never believed in real magic when I was a beginner and I think everyone deserves at least some respect newbie or not . Prince is a joke and if I were Mickael I would comment no further and ironically Princes embarrassing comments has probably and hopefully kept this thread right up there and got Mickael more sales . I would love to meet people like Prince at a convention and see how clever and forceful they are there 😆
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Oh my days - this really is getting better. I honestly cannot believe some people and honestly the opinion about this all is incredible - seriously you need to give yourself a reality check. Here's a test for you - give the quote in question to an independant person and ask them if they at an opinion from the ad description that you would be using just normal cards OR do they think a gimmicked card is in play. Not a gimmick, but a gimmicked card (one of the 3 mentioned) - see the answer you get.
Back soon - can't wait, and yes it is all pointfull. All I wanted from the beggining was recognition of the ad copy being incorrect and misleading (which again it is) and that would be that. How can anyone try and fight and defend a quote which is clearly inaccurate, misleading and wrong. Just admit it's the above and be done with it. It takes a bigger person to admit their wrong, but these comments just goes to show the people you are esp the creator. Very disappointed. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I have just asked a couple of magicians Prince one who is a newbie and one who is not both said impossible a gimmick must be in play . Anyone with a grain of interest in magic with a brain realises this except you it would seem . So did exactly what you asked and that was their responses , which everyone bar you it would seem would have known anyway .
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robd Loyal user 251 Posts |
By now, anyone reading this will have made up their own minds about whether they believe the ad copy to be misleading or not, and therefore whether Mickael's response is enough for them or not, and formed their own opinions of him and his ad.
(For example, it seems clear *to me* that to say you can hand the cards out for examination at the end, when you actually have to swap one of them before you do isn't good enough when advertising to magicians. Same as if I said 'you take a borrowed, shuffled pack' when actually the effect required you to switch out the pack you borrowed and shuffled; it's materially different.) However, continuing with the posts just feels like you're trying to force everyone to think your way, and won't be happy until they do. That won't happen - so it's really not worth the energy. Just my opinion, obviously. No point in arguing on the internet, really. As fun as it is, sometimes. I do enjoy it, occasionally. |
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robd Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Jul 1, 2015, Tarik Flash wrote: Yes, but having a gimmick in play is different from one of the cards being gimmicked and then requiring a switch. A gimmick could be used to create the effect and then palmed out, as I alluded to earlier in this thread - that's different from switching a card out at the end to finish clean and so means that the effect is different. You can't, for instance, drop the card into their hands and have them examine it there and then. Which is important to know, if you're buying an effect, right? |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Sorry if I mis advised you all oops easy isn't it , my bad . They said that a gimmicked card must be in play , thought Prince was going to spot that robd and was trying to reel Prince in ( you spoil sport ) yes you are right though not worth keeping on as Prince wants everyone to agree with him and many won't . I never will so has got the wrong person with me , anyway best leave it as is feeding his delusional ego and agree with others it's immature .
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Evening, ok first off those bothering to post do us all a favour, and for the love of god take your time to bother to read through just these 3 pages (so far) before commenting. Even I am fed up of having to repeat myself trying to address comments, issues and reasons that have already been addressed only a few posts previous. So why you cant absorb this info is beyond me, yet your quick enough to get on here and try to have a pointless rant. But do have a go will you - thanks.
I really am literally laughing at some of these comments and the way this is tending to deflect the core of the matter, and what my and many others issue is, and has been all along. Mickael 99% of magicians don't understand your misleading quote, and it was only into a few pages that we all discovered that the gimmick involved was the non holed card. Up until the the discussion it was impossible for anyone to know what the gimmick was - FACT. In your description you mention that all 3 cards are NORMAL and can be IMMEDIATELY examinable. Well not all 3 cards are NORMAL as one is gimmicked! So how is that an accurate quote of what this is. PLUS you cant immediately hand all 3 cards you because as even you have now confirmed, you have to switch the gimmicked card out! So you cant 'immediately' just hand them out can you? Anyone and I mean anyone you point this out to will have to say I am correct in what I'm saying - why? Because its the truth that's why - this is what happens and this is the quote. Its a blatant contradiction to say one thing, yet you have to do another. Come on guys surely you are not as fickle and deluded to think otherwise? Unfortunately the worrying thing is that some of you possibly are or at least this is the impression you are giving off. It really is laughable. Your 'challenge' mickael on me providing a trailer, description etc asking that the wording has to be 'you have to switch etc etc' no your not going to see it. Why because other creators will give a description of the effect and don't have to include that comment. Neither did you - which you didn't and that's fine. But what your not seeming to understand, and again trying to deflect your error in trying to pass this as another issue I have, which it isn't. Is again going back to your misleading and use of incorrect words. This is all I have an issue with. You decided to use the words 'normal' and 'immediately'. Neither of those words should have been used in the description because they are not correct!!!!! So why falsely include those misleading words - giving a false representation of how the trick plays and what actually happens because... here we go again - ALL THE CARDS ARE NOT NORMAL AND YOU CANT IMMEDIATELY HAND THEM OUT AFTER THE CARD FALLS THROUGH - because you have to switch it out first, so that is not IMMEDIATELY as you claim, and the one card is gimmicked which means it is not NORMAL again as you claim - you all got it now!?!?! Good at last. I also love your excuse of the word and your interpretation of the word immediately. To you it means about 2 seconds lol!!! Do a dictionary search on what it means and this is the definition - without any intervening time or space. Well unfortunately there is a time and space as you need to switch it, which means is not IMMEDIATELY! Nice try though on your pathetic excuse on why you decided to apparently use that word now you have been confronted with your mistake - and now realised yet cant be man enough just to admit you are wrong and should not have mislead the description. you also state I do not like you???? Hmmm yeah ok, so where did you get that from? My issue is not with you as a person but what you decided to use as a misleading a wrong ad description. Nothing to do with you as I have spoke to many times at conventions and have always been helpful in demonstrating and showing your effects. RNK is correct in what he said regarding beginners in magic, and in fact it can be anyone who reads that description. You are told when you bought it that the cards involved are NORMAL cards so when you open the package you expect to see normal cards - FACT because that's what it states. You are told that straight after the card falls you can IMMEDIATELY hand all cards out for examination because they are normal - well you cant because you have to switch. The point that so many of you are not getting or do get but just deciding to use cause and try and push this into another issue, is what I have numerous times repeated and others about the understanding of a gimmick in play. Yes obv there has to be a gimmick and no one is saying they are expecting to be no gimmick BUT the gimmick COULD have been something else other than any of the cards for it to work. Again, I have many tricks that use an outside gimmick involved in a card trick, yet the spec think its something to do with the cards. Well the gimmick on this could have applied like just mentioned. Why would anyone think this... because you are told that ALL THE CARDS ARE NORMAL which means not one of the cards are gimmicked! How ironic Tarik Flash calling me immature, yet you claim reason I keep posting is to up my post count??? Yeah righto, and a perfect representation of you, oh yeah and apparently trying to lure me into biting to get a reaction - childish and immature maybe? The fact with your so called trap is once again you missed all the points that have already been posted so many times, and you still couldn't grasp the context and posts. Please do keep up and just take your time slowly to read the posts first and digest before rushing on, making a mistake then trying to cover it up by pretending you meant it all along. One other thing, thank you to those who have spoke up and morally and correctly backed me. I know there are more of you who feel the same but don't want to get involved. Why, maybe because of who he is, but I guarantee if this was just anyone else they would have been attacked a lot more by now about the misleading description. So one final time so there is no confusion - well I will try, is from outset my only issue which is easy and straight forward was... the description states they are normal cards - this is not correct as one card is gimmicked. The description states you can immediately hand out all the cards for examination - this is not correct as you have to switch out one card. that's it folks, and hope the last paragraph especially was not too difficult to understand. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Prince please pm me if you have anything to say.
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TuneHV Inner circle New York 2063 Posts |
Prince, you have a misconception that we don't understand you or are confused. We hear you load and clear and understand perfectly.... just not everyone agrees with you. Im sorry if you cant get past that notion, but I really suggest just dropping it and moving on as this thread is 3 pages of redundancy.
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1778 Posts |
OK, Prince thanks. We get it.
Now, as for for what you get... This is fiendishly clever and will appeal to gimmick-mokeys, just for the cheer cunningness of the design. Even when I took it out of the packet, I had no idea what was going on until I played the DVD. Is it practical? Well, ye..e.e.s. Th handling is not easy-peasy, but it's not exactly difficult. A little dab of wax or RF might help one aspect. My only disappointment, really, is that it is an effect that screams, "do it again!", and that is not at all easy to achieve. But - allowing for the caveats that Prince has tirelessly detailed - this is fun, inexpensive, well-made and, under the right circumstances, baffling. |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Moving on, great news about how clever it is with the gimmick etc and really looking forward to performing this.
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