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Yes it is.
You can even see Rix doing it in the presentation.
As they say : "With this new version you can finally show all the deck before you start, during and at the end."

https://youtu.be/MdB6CBIFYBc
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Agreed on all points - kid was great, disappointing to see commercial effects (and yes that awkward moment), david roth was wonderful but little sad to see the shakes. mostly though, I was hoping to learn whether what David thought might fool them (the final vanish of the four coins) actually did. perhaps it was editing but they didn't specifically address that one point - just gave him a FOOLED US award out of respect (similar to Mark Wilson). The premise of the award was flawed as in the past (I'm thinking of the iPad magician) they said the same thing - he fooled them, so they figured it out months earlier - just like with Roth, they read his books so knew what he was doing. I have no issue with the ceremonial FOOLED US award - just wish they had answered if they were indeed fooled by the one part Roth thought might be new to them. Would have been fun to know.
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For me the great thing about this series is the chance it gives the performer to perform not only in front of a millions of viewers but Penn & Teller themselves ....If you fool them you get the Job ...that's it !

Pure and simple and I love it when I see Penn & Teller have that look of bewilderment ...........its what I strive for when I perform.

The crazy thing is I know how the tricks I perform work and even I can amaze myself .....

er emm p.s ordered that blasted cube thing thanks to Steven. I did used to know the moves to solve it and then ....well ....everyone back in the 80s had one and it was no big thing.

I had one sat on my drawers for 3 years ..no use for it ..then Fool Us season 2 and yes ...there it is , a cool reason to have one again and not look nerdy.

Love Fool Us ...a pity its not airing in the UK though .

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They have Johnny Thompson as a consultant with an earpiece to Penn.
So, I lot of the keeping up with new things is his job.
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I knew the trick immediately because it is by a friend of mine and Randy's, Marc Desouza. It's called Die of Destiny and is based on a Claude Rix routine. Marc recently had the addition of spreading the whole deck at the end. The two endings line was code. The trick only has one ending.
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Desouza's Die of Destiny is base on Rix's "Magic Die" routine, yes, but it wasn't the trick that Ran'd Shine performed.
It was "Révélation(s)" by Claude Rix (which is an improvement of his own "Magic Die" routine).
The two endings line was a clear allusion to Révélation(s) (I cannot say more without revealing the way it works).
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I too was very surprised that Kimlat fooled them. I get fooling Penn but was really surprised it got Teller. I was waiting for end work and was like, yup, expertly done but by no means fooling IMO. Good job to Kostya then, he managed to slip it by and it was good magic.

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I really enjoyed the last show.
I liked Joel Myers & Spidey very much: good trick and excellent presentation, very funny.
Rick Lax: If he really didn't do what Penn said (no cooler and no... "dots", let's say it that way), he fooled me too (I guess putting the deck in his pocket was done to fool magicians), but (and I wanna stress the fact that it's just my personal feeling) I've never really liked his style (although he once wrote a paper about women in magic which was just brilliant) and I thought it was kinda boring. But, once again, it's just my personal feeling.
Marcus Eddie: I didn't really like the "follow your dream" stuff, but that was a really nice trick, nicely thought and nicely done (and I really appreciated the fact that he invented it himself)
Bruce Gold : Of course, it's not a magicians' fooler but, God, what a presentation! Must be one of the funniest acts I've seen. Loved it.
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I disagree what the line 2 endings meant. I spent time with Marc Desouza this past weekend and we discussed it. That is his new addition to the trick.
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Well, I'm sorry pepka, but it seems you don't know how Révélation(s) works (tell me if I'm wrong).

Penn's line was a reference to the way the deck is gaffed. Maybe you'll tell me Desouza (who is a great magician, let's be clear about that) added the same thing as Rix, gaffed the deck the same way Rix did. That's possible.
But you've said Desouza "recently had the addition of spreading the whole deck at the end". How recently? In Desouza's book Deceptions, the deck isn't gaffed the way it is in Révélation(s) and you cannot spread the whole deck.
Révélation(s) allows you to spread the whole deck at any moment and it was issued in 2011.
The trick Ran'd Shine did was purely Révélation(s) by Claude Rix. And I think that's why Penn talked about Rix and not Desouza, I'm sorry.
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I think you guys are overlooking the selection process Ran'd Shine did- Penn appeared to freely choose any card from the face down spread... you cant do that in Claude Rix's version.

I think that was the touch he added to Revelation(s).
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To be honest, I've never seen any of the versions by Rix. I do know Marc well and have seen him perform "Die of Destiny" for many years. I just looked up Revelation(s) on Youtube and although it is highly edited, it DOES look like you see many cards, but not that they are all spread out. I know the gaffus that Randy used, and whatever Claude is using in this video...doesn't look like the same thing.
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You absolutely spread the entire deck face up in Revelation(s), that's how Claude begins the routine
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Well, then it's a different routine.
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On Sep 17, 2015, TuneHV wrote:
I think you guys are overlooking the selection process Ran'd Shine did- Penn appeared to freely choose any card from the face down spread... you cant do that in Claude Rix's version.

I think that was the touch he added to Revelation(s).

That's correct.
I had overlooked that. :-/
Then, my apologies to Ran'd Shine, he did add something.
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OK, this post is coming very late, but I thought I should at clarify some of this. The version Ran'd did is my latest handling. It is based on Rix's Revelation, which he shared with me long before he ever released it. This new handling uses a concept of Rix's, but the handling is completely different. I shared it with Claude. He said he had played with something similar. I indicated that someone had approached me to market this latest version. Claude indicated that he preferred that I didn't, as he had already reached a deal to market Revelation and there were too many similarities.
When Ran'd asked if he could do my original Die of Destiny handling, which was based on Claude's original version, I offered to allow him to do my new handling. I taught him my specific handling as well as my full script. I also told him the way I thought he should handle it specifically for the show. He decided to modify it and present it his own way. I had no problem with that.
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Yeah, lame for Ran'D to pump himself up with all his name dropping, and do an unoriginal, off-the-shelf effect, even with Marc's additions which sound great.
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