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Phren New user 57 Posts |
Always been very interested in Hypnoses ever since my dad used his low voice to talk me into relaxation whenever I was nervous for school or sad because of a breakup. I guess It was a simple form or trance induction and the effect it had on my was wonderful.
So after many years I've bought a book (actually multiple but I found one that explains it well) and love to start working on it. However, How do I practise? I guess telling people It's my first time and that it might not work already is a bad start to get someone in a trance (as confidence helps) but to stutter and not to know what to say halfway is not good either. So should I practise in front of a mirror? Or should you practise with people to get their feedback? |
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browneyed Regular user I could've sworn I had more than 104 Posts |
Don't be fooled by my new user status, I have a Clinical Hypnotherapy certification and have been practicing conversational hypnosis for about 4 years. First off, what you look like doesn't really matter so there's point in practicing in front of mirror. What matters is your patter. Get the tonality and rhythm down and understand the basic hypnotic language. You will only stutter and fail if you are strictly following a script. Learn to improvise hypnosis and it will become second nature as if you were just talking normally.
Don't practice on people until you can stand in a room by yourself and talk through an entire session on your own. You need that confidence and the ability to recover if you mess up and, most importantly, the ability to make things up as you go so that you don't draw a blank when you "forget your lines". Remember that the hypnotic wheel begins with belief. If you don't believe in yourself, the subject won't believe in you and nothing with work. Also, you have to alter your hypnosis to fit every individual person so your attention should be on your subject the entire time and if you're trying to remember exact wording, you'll lose focus. I see so many beginners that are putting so much attention on these big flashy rapid inductions and super deep trance states but I have made people do some crazy things from nothing more than my word choice. The induction should be the last thing you learn because for the most part it's the easiest. Learn to just get through an entire session all on your own and then you'll be ready to go out in public and blow people away. |
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WillBox Regular user 146 Posts |
Hi Phren,
Good to hear that you're finally feeling motivated to put these things into practice. My advice would be: 1) Practice a few inductions, over and over. I would recommend a nice physiological convincer (magnetic fingers or eyelock), an ideo-motor/imagination response of some kind, then a more ritualised induction. So you might go eyelock (looking upwards), then Elman eyelock (relaxing eyes shut), then some other induction. The reason for this is the gradual three-step approach gives you some compounding of effect, some inbuilt confidence building, and some suggestibility testing as you go. You might for example use the heavy bucket/light balloon style imagination exercise for the middle piece, see how that goes, modify the next bit based on the results you get. 2) Sort out how you want to frame your experiment. Testing hypnosis? A fun little mind trick? A kind of psychological experiment? A gift of immense relaxation? Proving how powerful you are? That last one was a joke of course, but without choosing a frame newbies might adopt that frame without realising it, and then ego gets in the way. Its best to find a way to sidestep ego. 3) Want to fail. Mess up. Give yourself permission to. Realise that it doesn't matter if it doesn't work - it won't condition you into expecting negative results or anything like that, your mind is stronger than that. Give yourself permission to fail and realise that all the so-called experts have failed too, they're just too proud to talk about those times. Its not failure of course, just not getting the results you hoped for, but you know what I mean. You *won't* be able to hypnotise everyone - accept that as soon as you can. 4) Know what you will do, if you find yourself with a hypnotised person. They might go out quicker than you expected - you might be very surprised. What then? Will you just giggle and shake them and tell them to "stop being silly and open your eyes"? Hopefully not - you want to have some nice little suggestions ready to test out and give them a positive experience of some kind. Plant a post-hypnotic suggestion to go back into hypnosis with a keyword too. The first times are going to be nerve-wracking, let them be but push through regardless. The truth is that whether it works or not, you'll be glad you had a go, it feels much better than not trying at all (Which is the only true way you can fail at this). |
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Phren New user 57 Posts |
Thanks for the tips.
I've been doing some magnetic fingers and after that magnetic arms. I believe that when people felt the fingers being magnetic, they have created an expectation so the arms work as well. @Browneyed: Not practise on people but speak in a room, you mean just talk to myself out loud and keep going so I know what to say? I personally haven't invested into rapid inductions yet as I think the time invested into a trance helps with the suggestion. @WillBox: Thank you for the suggestions. Have a frame and a plan (what to do after induction?) are things I should clearly work on. I've placed my girlfriend in trance a few times just to help her relax. But I never know what to do when she feels relaxed, nor do I know if she is deep enough to test anything. I guess I'll just try some 'impossible to move' things and fail, that way I have your third point taken care of Thanks again, both of you. |
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ko_brian Veteran user 343 Posts |
I use to use as a convincer Electric touch.... It gave me a lot of confidence when I was starting...
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Phren New user 57 Posts |
@ko_brian: great idea, although a bit too much investment for something I haven't fully commited to yet
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browneyed Regular user I could've sworn I had more than 104 Posts |
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@Browneyed: Not practise on people but speak in a room, you mean just talk to myself out loud and keep going so I know what to say? I personally haven't invested into rapid inductions yet as I think the time invested into a trance helps with the suggestion. Yes, you have to get through it by yourself before you can even attempt practicing with a real subject. That's just common sense. As far as inductions go, it's all up to you and what path you're going down. Are you interested in hypnotherapy, stage hypnosis, or street hypnosis? |
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ko_brian Veteran user 343 Posts |
Phren. maybe same PK touches or even Doucle Lifts can serve you well as convincers. Anything mechanical that you can frame it as hypnosis will work. Always have a surefire out.
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ko_brian Veteran user 343 Posts |
Do a simple exercise.... twist everything you do to a hypnosis framing...
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Yeah, that's real hypnosis.
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Phren New user 57 Posts |
Many parties here in the netherlands, not much time for practising. Hope to get some excercise next monday. Will try a 'card-forgotten' effect as a convincer.
But how do I know when he/she is in trance? |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Why on earth would a hypnotist use playing cards? You wouldn't know because you are not a hypnotist. Hypnosis is not a magic trick. If you are a trained hypnotist you would know.
Not much time for practicing? Not much time for learning and proper education either? Magnetic fingers and magnetic arms also is not hypnosis. This is exactly what gives hypnosis a bad name. |
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browneyed Regular user I could've sworn I had more than 104 Posts |
Thank you, Mindpro. I have met so many people that have read one 20 page pdf on hypnosis and think they can make anyone do anything. It does require talent but it is a skill which requires a lot of research and practice beforehand. I usually just let the beginners fail and that embarrassment weeds out those who have the dedication and those who don't.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The question is what do you want to learn?
If you want to learn to twist things into fake hypnosis framing then practice that. Otherwise do more research.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Phren New user 57 Posts |
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On Jul 23, 2015, Mindpro wrote: Such hostility.... Beginners make mistakes, they have to figure out the path. I'm not a trained hypnotist... didn't you get that from my topic title? Why the remark about a proper education? Just trying to understand, but it seems like we misunderstand each other Magnetic fingers and magnetic arms are suggestibility tests. Handy for helping to build a client's mental expectancy before hypnosis. If that is completely untrue, I'm all ears about your more educated opinion. Maybe I'm at the beginning, but everyone has to start there. I'm sure you've made your mistakes in the past. |
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Phren New user 57 Posts |
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On Jul 25, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: I would like to learn Hypnosis to help people achieve goals in their lives and also to help people feel less stress in their lives. However, I admit I'd like to learn it as well to build my reputation as a mentalist. To be able to do both, I believe, compliment each other greatly. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
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On Jul 27, 2015, Phren wrote: Because if you want to learn, learn correctly and properly. Rather than being defensive, try to understand and learn what is being offered. This would be your first step. Also this is not a forum to discuss hypnotherapy, just entertainment hypnosis. Yes everyone has to start somewhere and the first step is having the right understanding and perspectives. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jul 27, 2015, Phren wrote: In reality the second one is not going to bave anything to do with the fjrst.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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browneyed Regular user I could've sworn I had more than 104 Posts |
Yeah, hypnotherapy and stage hypnosis are completely different. You can't perform hypnotherapy, it wouldn't be nearly as effective and it isn't entertaining at all. Also, hypnosis and mentalism have almost nothing to do with each other. You can mix them together in the same show but that's like saying you want to learn silk vanishing tricks to add to your mentalist repertoire.
If you want to learn hypnosis then I can give you the name of every book in my library and the order in which you should read them but I honestly don't think you'd read them. You look like a magician that wants to use hypnosis effects, not someone that desires to be a true hypnotist. You would probably prefer what's called pseudo-hypnosis. I'm not sure what my opinion is on pseudo yet though so I don't want to help you with it until I am sure. |
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Phren New user 57 Posts |
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On Jul 27, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: Depends how you look at it, but I think why you would say it. I agree that both are 2 different 'professions' however, they compliment each other based on public opinion. A person who is not known in either field, would believe there are similarities. and as Browneyed said "The hypnotic wheel begins with belief" @browneyed: It's hard to explain oneself through posts. I could say I'd like to be a true hypnotist, but why believe it. However, I don't perceive my interest as a magician who wishes to add hypnosis effects. If that was the case, I could just lie to lay people. I enjoy reading about the inner working of the mind and my interest in magic has more to do with my interest in cognitive abilities, then fooling people. I find it interesting to know how the memory can be reconstructed through suggestion, which is done in magic. I have an even greater fascination in a persons believe system and it's self fooling abilities, and I often use 'tricks' to add to a discussion of how to deal with the unknown. I do wish to thank you for your inital tips. I've been working on rhythm in speech and tonality, although the later is not a problem as I have a natural deep voice. As my mother tongue is dutch I take time translating what I'm learning from the book I'm currently reading (The Art of Hypnosis, Mastering Basic Techniques - C. Roy Hunter MS, CHt). This is not helping me in rhythm, If you have any tips on that, it would be greatly appreciated |
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