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This thread has been great reading before bedtime - thanks to all who contributed. Very entertaining.

I had no idea such fun could be had from..."a focus on a conversation between the rabbit VS balloon subject with magicians using balloons and magicians using rabbits."

Rabbits VS Balloons! Truly excellent.

I'll be over here with attaché case and waiter tray stand.
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On Nov 20, 2015, The Mighty Fool wrote:

3) Donald Dunphy's earlier caution was spot-on:when it comes to balloons, it's "Make for ONE, make for ALL" Especially in a daycare show.


I will admit I used to think like that years ago. Now I look at it differently. A mother tells me she wants the package from my website that supplies face painting and balloons after my magic show. I do not offer that package to all the kids at a daycare center. Some of those kids might be allergic to latex. I would just make a balloon for the birthday child if the parent gives me permission. I can understand some kids might not like it if they did not get a balloon. At least they enjoyed the entertainment with magic. It will inspire that child just as much to want me at their party so they can be the star of the show and receive a balloon.

Some kids might not be allergic to balloons. The daycare director hires me to make balloons for all the children. I would explain to the director I will put the balloons on the side of the room waiting for the children's parents to come pick up their child and make the decision to give their child a balloon or not.

Let's image face painting a child in a daycare center without the parent's permission. The child might not be allergic to face painting, but some parents will not like the entertainer taking that chance on their child without their permission. That can really cause a conflict.

Taking the wrong procedure with face painting or balloons towards, whether the child is allergic to it or not can push that parent to press charges towards the daycare center and entertainer.

Howie, I can understand using a rabbit makes a great USP, especially if you are the only one in your area using one. Imagine asking 100 parents if they wanted a rabbit to be presented in the magic show for their child. Most percentage will say "YES."

I can understand why you would leave the balloons at home and bring the rabbit. Because your profession is using a rabbit, not with balloons. If the performer entertains in a profession manner, bingo. It is no use doing so much to spread yourself too thin. Just do your profession because our goal is to entertain the crowd, not bore them. I can understand some performers trying to do more that what they can handle making themselves look bad. Howie is doing the right thing.

Using rabbits in a gig is safer that passing out balloons. I know cause I do both. It is much easier to put the pets away after the show without anyone getting hurt. Sometimes the kids encourage me they want to pet my rabbit. I have the kids stand in a line letting one go at a time. Afterwards I have the kids wash their hands before doing anything else. With balloons I am always alert making sure the kids do not place it in their mouth. At times I have noticed it. I tell the guardian not to let the child put the balloon in his/her mouth again.

Some people think there is no wrong or right about using rabbits or balloons for entertainment. That is incorrect. There is a wrong and right. A child can get hurt when a rabbit or balloons are used in a show. It all depends how much time the entertainer is putting in for everything to run safe for the kids. If the entertainer is being aware of the actions with the balloon or rabbit, that is the right way. If the performer is turning his or her back on things that can go wrong, that is the wrong way. The parents are not just paying us for entertainment, but to make sure kids are not getting hurt from our responsibilities.
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I just purchased a Rabbit Canon and a balloon to rabbit box from Smoky Mountain, I performed a search and this very old topic came up.

I still use a rabbit in my show and the balloon I use will burst in the box, so no children will be close enough to become ill and I have no fear of anyone choking.

The trick came UPS today, so I’ll post here after the first show to let everyone know how it went, depending on the reaction of the rabbit after the balloon bursts, I may not even use a balloon.
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One of the reasons why I don't do balloon animals in my show is because I have had a few clients complain about other children performers they had hired to do a magic show, and spent most of their show making balloon animals and sculptures. They weren't expecting the show to to be mostly about balloons, and felt rather disappointed than there wasn't more magic involved.

Apparently a magician came from out of town once and performed at an event. The performer spent the whole show making bubbles. The kids apparently had a good time, but the client told me that they did not expect that. They thought the performer would perform magic because they advertised themselves as a children's magician.
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Danny, I have heard it even gets more complicated then what you have posted. The issue of how much time spent performing magic and twisting balloons is valid, but then I have heard that the performer charges a fee per child attending and the child gets only the number of balloons contracted for in the agreement, if the child explodes the ballloon, or wants another balloon that another child has received, then the cost of the extra balloons twisted has to be calculated and paid for by the parents or promoter.

I also heard one story of the line being so long that the balloon twisted never got a balloon to everyone because he had another show to go to.. so some children did not even receive one balloon.

I haven’t performed with the new balloon to rabbit box yet, I will experiment until I am sure I can control one balloon placed in the box and out of the reach of children
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On Apr 15, 2018, Howie Diddot wrote:
Danny, I have heard it even gets more complicated then what you have posted. The issue of how much time spent performing magic and twisting balloons is valid, but then I have heard that the performer charges a fee per child attending and the child gets only the number of balloons contracted for in the agreement, if the child explodes the ballloon, or wants another balloon that another child has received, then the cost of the extra balloons twisted has to be calculated and paid for by the parents or promoter.

I also heard one story of the line being so long that the balloon twisted never got a balloon to everyone because he had another show to go to.. so some children did not even receive one balloon.



Yes, so true. I have heard the same things.
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I revived the thread to explore the use of the balloon to rabbit box, not necessarily to bash magicians that also provide services as balloon twisters.

I am interested in other members views of Danny post in which he brought up issues about providing both magic and balloon twisting in the same show along with the original question of using a balloon to rabbit box
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Yes, to make sure I am clear about my intent. It was not to bash any performer that does balloons in their show. Some performers make it clear about what they do during their show, and some clients specifically hire a performer because they can make balloon sculptures.
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95% of my birthday clients have me add balloons and/or caricatures after the 45 minute magic/vent show. Some clients have me skip the show and just do caricature and/or balloons or occasionally game leading, but if they do that I have a 2hr minimum charge. When I chat with the client, online or email, I always ask aprox how many kids are invited, because I need to plan in advance how much time I need before scheduling a gig after it (so I'm no late for next gig), and to give the client an idea how long it would take (give or take 15 minutes). For birthdays I don't agree to a fixed length of time in advance for balloons or caricatures because I don't know how many kids will be there, and every party works out differently anyway. I tell them I charge X amount per 15 minutes and I stay for however long it takes and charge them for it. Agreeing to a fixed amount of time in advance, based on the # of kids invited, didn't work well when I tried it cause often the # of kids was much higher or lower than expected. Counting kids and charging per kid, when I tried it, was a pain in the neck cause the kids are all over the place around the house, arriving and leaving at different times, and I prefer to focus on entertaining them and getting stuff done rather than counting them, that was too much for me to focus on.
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Dan my friend, I became exhausted reading your post....LOL

Skipping part of the show.... Caricatures... balloon twisting... game leader.... no fixed price... no fixed time... more kids than expected....

I admire you for your planning... All I do is a 15 minute set up, a magic show, the more kids the merrier.... 15 minute pack-up and 3 trips to my motorhome, and back to the party in time for birthday cake

No Stress, No Pressure.... no worries


It’s been a very long time since we posted, weren’t you in Arizona last we were in contact?
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I was in Oregon for 9 years, but moved to a Philly suburb 4 years ago. I don't need to plan much to do what I do, just get some basic info from the client, tell them my rates (on my website anyway), ask what they want, and I'm set. I show up 10 minutes early for set up, and that's it. Doing caricatures is easy, I just bring my big clipboard and markers, balloons are in a big apron kind of thing around my waist. No stress or worries, and giving them that option makes me different and they like that I can fill time and add fun, and less work for them. I make extra money at most gigs doing that. I like the variety.
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It’s good to make contact with you again....

I can’t draw, and I don’t do balloons, thinking about it, I could increase my income f I provided more services for kids,

Since we talked, I have expanded my work by performing as a mentalist and now I am working towards large stage productions
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