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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts 
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Danny, it amazes me that you don't find anything wrong with someone taking someone else's work for free, but think that calling them on stealing from you is bullying and wrong.
Why don't I have a right to give you my opinion on what you do? How is it bullying to disagree and state my opinion that I think it is wrong? |
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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Hey now, you're twisting my words around Pop. You have all the rights to state your opinion as I do mine. However, you have gone farther by judging someone's actions as immoral implying that they are not adhering to a magicians code of ethics that never states anything about such an issue. A code that seems can easily be added to by anyone who disagree's with another person's action without having a logical, justified reasoning that isn't biased or hyprocritical.
If I buy a dvd from you, you no longer own it, I do. If you are going to sell products it's good business to understand consumer rights and buyers rights of sale. I find it unethical business practice to ignore consumer rights for petty financial gain regardless of any hyprocritical reasoning. I am not the one trying to convince and dictate what the morals are within the magic community, I am simply pointing out that I disagree based on the hyprocritical answers given. That's my right isn't it. Or does that right only apply to those that agree with your opinion. The end of the day, those who back up there magic dvd's and sell the originals will still do what they do, and magic will still continue to be what it is, the most deceptive art in the entertainment business. I will still live by my set of morals and code of ethics, you will live according to yours and we will live happily ever after. 
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Actually now that you are called on the behavior you are twisting your own words.
How is anything any of us said bullying in any way? Funny now how those who disagree with you ate hypocrites.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts
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Simply stating an opinion,even of another person isn't bullying. Going to the man's house and physically threatening him or verbally berating him would be.
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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On Jan 8, 2016, Pop Haydn wrote: This is a false statment, also considered twisting my words. An unintelligent attack on my character without evidence or logical reasoning. It's a tactic sometimes used when someone can no longer defend their argument and attempt to change or divert the topic.
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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On Jan 9, 2016, Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse wrote: Calling someone's actions immoral isn't an opinion it's a judgment. Verbal berating and threats do actually happen. My opinion is the excuses given are hypocritical. Something clearly evident in some of the past posts. It's not me who can't give an answer without being hypocritical. There has still be no good logical reasoning why this person's actions should be considered immoral by the majority of the magic community. He didn't steal anything. He didn't break any Café rules, isn't breaking any laws, and isn't breaking any code of ethics within the magic community that I have ever heard of before. For me to adhere to any set of morals or ethics there must be a logical reasoning for it, and it can't be hypocritical.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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On Dec 18, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: You glossed this over.
Danny Doyle
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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No I didn't. Still waiting for a response.
Quote: On Dec 22, 2015, Danny Kazam wrote:
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts
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Http://info.legalzoom.com/copyright-law-......200.html
Pretty easy to understand. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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From the link Tony provided.
"In addition to making a backup copy of software, it is legal to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD so that you can continue to enjoy the copyrighted material if your original copy fails. It is illegal to make copies of CDs or DVDs if you intend to distribute them to third parties, even by giving them away. Additionally, in some instances it may be unlawful to circumvent anti-piracy technology in order to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD." It seems that once you sell, or somehow transfer ownership of the work you are not entitled to a back up copy, as Bob said it becomes an illegal copy.
Danny Doyle
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts
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Nice link Tony. Thank you.
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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What it says is it's illegal to sell or give away copies. We already know that.
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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Canadian law now features a wide range of user-oriented provisions that legalize common activities. For example, time shifting, or the recording of television shows, is now legal under Canadian copyright after years of residing in a grey area. The law also legalizes format shifting and the creation of backup copies. This will prove helpful for those seeking to digitize content, transfer content to portable devices, or create backups to guard against accidental deletion or data loss.
Canadians can also take greater advantage of fair dealing, which allows users to make use of excerpts or other portions of copyright works without the need for permission or payment. The scope of fair dealing has been expanded with the addition of three new purposes: education, satire, and parody. http://www.thestar.com/business/2012/11/......ist.html Most magic dvd's are unprotected and are considered teaching and educational material.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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On Nov 26, 2015, Danny Kazam wrote: It seems as if you did NOT know that keeping a copy of a DVD after selling the original is a problem. Care to revise your position? Because making the copy in order to distribute the original is illegal. YOU said it wasn't and even laughed about it. Again I ask do you care to revise your position?
Danny Doyle
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts
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It would make sense that the origional dvd failing and selling it would be one in the same.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Why is that?
The OP was making a copy knowing he would sell it to get his money back. The EXACT behavior the laws are trying to curb.
Danny Doyle
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts
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On Jan 9, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: Exactly. The copy must be destroyed or accompany the transfer of the original. The law explicitly states that use of a copy for financial gain is illegal as well. Making a copy then reselling the original (while retaining the copy) is making use of the copy for financial gain as you resell the DVD but retain possession of the contents of the DVD in the copy. |
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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I thought the OP's question is asking if it's immoral. Nice tactic to divert away from the fact that the excuses as to why it's immoral was shown to be hyprocritical. Have fun with that.
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts
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Man you diverted this topic so many times it's not even funny and have argued the legality the whole time till it didn't suit you. I stated in the discussion I meant intent to recoup money and you bring up other things like forgetting backups and other things I never meant.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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On Jan 10, 2016, Danny Kazam wrote: Yea when it suits you it is about legality and when not it is about morality. Keep switching horses to confuse but it won't work. It is perfectly fine with you to profit from the hard work of others. Go figure. You ate the one being hypocritical here. Turns out the guy with the law degree was right and the fit spring off workout knowledge is wrong. Shocking.
Danny Doyle
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