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On Apr 21, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
You're asking how want becomes condoned rancor.

I'm saying you'd do better to address the wants than to complain about the larger celebrity rancor events.


No, I'm asking what's at the root of any moral code that condones the initiation of violence.

You're a smart man.
What do you think is the root of those moral codes?
Why do they persist beyond any need for them?

The vanity of the credulous?

And I'm not complaining. I'm stating my opinion -just like everyone else.
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Please, it's "justified response to provocation"..."national interests" ..."safety and security"

At least use recognizable mediabites in correct bureaucratic declension. Smile
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@Vanity of the credulous; I wish it were mere vanity so that each emporer could enjoy their new clothes. I believe it's base hunger and fear which want discussion.

What is the good? that which gets not only survives but gets rewarded. Got better?
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On Apr 21, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
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On Apr 21, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
You're asking how want becomes condoned rancor.

I'm saying you'd do better to address the wants than to complain about the larger celebrity rancor events.


No, I'm asking what's at the root of any moral code that condones the initiation of violence.

You're a smart man.
What do you think is the root of those moral codes?
Why do they persist beyond any need for them?

The vanity of the credulous?

And I'm not complaining. I'm stating my opinion -just like everyone else.


What do you think is a true the root of your own moral code? To some, it is "violence" and injustice to abort a pregnancy; to others, it is "violence" and injustice to be prevented from being able to do aol. This is a.moral ifference that divides tens of millions of people in one relatively small country. They're not divided because of a lack of education; they're divided by a fundamental moral difference that has serious consequences regardless from which way it's adjudicated.

Violence is condoned as a response to extreme injustice in most moral codes. Build yourself a time machine and go back to 1865 and find some African Americans in the south and try to sell them on the idea that war and violence never solve anything.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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[bait]a magical morality separates those at cause from their effects[/bait]

Are lost performatives going the way of socks in the wash or they are the baby in the bathwater?
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@lobo, my time machine is stuck in the design phase of development. May I borrow yours for that experiment?

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Without resolving the issue of moral conduct for all people at all times, perhaps we can come to a tentative conclusion about bombing civilians in 2017.
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How about we don't do it as a starting point?
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How about we don't do it as a starting point?


I agree. Not sure that argument has worked before, but it does seem to have an objective on moral high ground.
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How about we don't do it as a starting point?


I agree. Not sure that argument has worked before, but it does seem to have an objective on moral high ground.


3/3. I'm feeling encouraged.
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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On Apr 21, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
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On Apr 21, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
You're asking how want becomes condoned rancor.

I'm saying you'd do better to address the wants than to complain about the larger celebrity rancor events.


No, I'm asking what's at the root of any moral code that condones the initiation of violence.

You're a smart man.
What do you think is the root of those moral codes?
Why do they persist beyond any need for them?

The vanity of the credulous?

And I'm not complaining. I'm stating my opinion - just like everyone else.


What do you think is a true the root of your own moral code?


Like I said, I'm naive.

The Golden Rule works for me.
I stay away from masochists and pretty much everything seems to go the way I expect it to.

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To some, it is "violence" and injustice to abort a pregnancy


Why is it considered violence to some?
Be honest, how many of those who feel that way came to that conclusion on their own?

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to others, it is "violence" and injustice to be prevented from being able to do aol.


I don't agree, and I don't do aol.

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This is a.moral ifference that divides tens of millions of people in one relatively small country. They're not divided because of a lack of education; they're divided by a fundamental moral difference that has serious consequences regardless from which way it's adjudicated.


Yes, I know. That's my point.

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Violence is condoned as a response to extreme injustice in most moral codes.


Doesn't make it right, and only gets you more.

If you're talking about situations where people just can't stand anymore, I think the better question to ask is what allowed the extreme injustice to exist in the first place.

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Build yourself a time machine and go back to 1865 and find some African Americans in the south and try to sell them on the idea that war and violence never solve anything.


That's only a manifestation of the problem - which has existed since almost the beginning of history.

I'd go back much further.
"Those who can make you believe in absurdities, can get you to commit atrocities" - Voltaire
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On Apr 21, 2017, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Without resolving the issue of moral conduct for all people at all times, perhaps we can come to a tentative conclusion about bombing civilians in 2017.


Gladly.

How about we stop doing it.
At least until we can restock from the last time we bombed them.
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I agree. You're naive.
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Yep, and I ask silly questions too.
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These Arab sects (or tribes) have centuries-old gripes against each other. They don't care if someone is a good guy or a terrorist. They just want to eliminate the opposing tribe.

My thought is that their squabbles are not worth even one American life. Just leave them to their own devices and let them destroy each other.


But then certain people wouldn't be able to become extremely wealthy from oil deals, weapon sales and trading in political favors gathered by using their position to further their own agenda rather than actually representing their constituents; all while pretending to help the oppressed du juor, and to spread Democracy.

And we couldn't have that.


Bingo! This is what it's all really about. Money, money, money... very dirty money.
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There is a missing paragraph at the end:

There is, however, one thing that ties this all together in a nice neat little bow (good). That is that all of this results in a handful of people making a bunch of deals (mostly bad) and a boatload of money (good?... not so much).
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Perhaps we should get rid of money and just use oranges... Smile
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On Apr 21, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
How about we don't do it as a starting point?


I agree. Not sure that argument has worked before, but it does seem to have an objective on moral high ground.


3/3. I'm feeling encouraged.


I think, that under further probing, it will be found that not everybody really agrees with this.

There will be conditions, exceptions, asterisks, fine print...
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Perhaps we should get rid of money and just use oranges... Smile


And avocados.
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