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Leonora Piper (born Leonore Simmonds, 1857 - died 1950) -
According to psychologist G. Stanley Hall, historian Frank Podmore, magician and puzzler Martin Gardner, pulitzer winning science writer Deborah Blum, historian Ruth Brandon, and magic historian Milbourne Christopher, Leonora Piper is the most famous trance medium in the history of Spiritualism. For a quarter of a century she provided the most convincing evidence for the reality of life after death or telepathy to some of the keenest, predominately male, minds in science.[1][2][3][4] [5][6][7] Mrs. Piper was a simple middle class house wife. She never was a "professional medium," in the strict sense she had not advertised and charged a fee, [7] and she did not read for the general public. After the death of Richard Hodgson in 1905, sittings were only arranged through her manager George E. Dorr, representing the English Society for the Study for Psychical Research. Her sittings were never free. Piper avoided the company of spiritualists, had never regulary attended seances, and did not subscribe to or read spiritualist publications. But she did read at some length the publications of the Society for Psychical Research, especially the accounts of her own sittings. Piper claimed to have no memory regarding her sittings. [8] Piper also claimed she did not receive telepathic messages. Among those who studied Mrs. Piper’s medium ship were prominent scientists: Sir Oliver Lodge, Dr. Richard Hodgson, and professors James Hyslop [9] and William James. Among her investigators and sitters the loss of a dear loved one was usually a common factor in the 19th century. After twelve sittings James Hyslop was convinced the answer to Mrs. Piper's esoteric messages was that she communicated with spirits of the dead and strongly denied the possibility of messages coming from her subconscious mind and deception. Hyslop was certain he had spoken to his deceased father through Mrs. Piper and her control. Even though Mrs. Piper was a believer in her extraordinary powers, her manager, George E Dorr, invited further investigation. [10] Dorr set up six sittings with Dr.G. Stanley Hall, psychologist, and his assistant, Amy Tanner, from Clark University. (A sitting with Mrs. Piper about 1910 cost $20.00. This would be equivalent to $456.60 in 2008. Mrs. Piper made about $1000.00 per year from her sittings. This would be equivalent to $22830.14 in 2008). [11][12] Three were to be paid for by Hall and the other three were free, coming from Dorr's pocket. Several times before Hall had attempted to get sittings through Richard Hodgson, who kept her dates from 1887 till his death in 1905, with no success. Hall was told all her available time and strength were monopolised by psychic researchers and that a man of uncertain purposes outside their circle might mar the quality of her work.[13] In 1909 Dr.G. Stanley Hall and Amy Tanner had six sittings with Mrs.Piper. [14][15] The use of a stenographer was not allowed. A pledge was given that no experiments were to be performed that might affect the medium's power. Piper sat at a table and rested her head on three pillows. Piper's ears were never covered at any time before, during, or after trance. It was claimed Piper only heard sounds during trance through the palm of her right hand that was placed close to a sitter's mouth. The sitter had to speak loudly or shout and was often asked to repeat their words into the hand. Piper's right hand also wrote answers and questions, often illegible, on a pad with a pencil. The writing hand paused at the end of each completed page below the pad, so the top completed page could be torn off and read by those in the sitting room. [16] [17] While Piper is in trance Dorr had assured and almost invited sitters to move about and converse in low tones. As it becomes apparent to the sitters Piper is in a truly deep sleep and will not awaken, they are soon whispering and then speaking freely, believing Piper cannot hear a word. Piper snored. Yet the immediate control during trance has told sitters he does not like their whispering because it makes him suspicious. Also during trance the control has resonded to other private conversations within the sitting room. Out of trance Piper was poor at remembering names, but good at remembering both faces and voices, especially voices.[18] [19] The team of Hall and Tanner did not agree with Hyslop's conclusions.[10][20] Hyslop estimated about 1910 that $75,000 (equivalent to $1,712,260.20 in 2008) [21] had been spent on the investigation and the publishing of Mrs. Piper's case. 2000 pages had been printed in The Society for Psychical Research's Prooceedings.[8] Biography At the age of 22 Leonora married William Piper of Boston. Soon afterwards she visited a clairvoyant, Dr. J. R. Cocke. Touched by his hand, she fell almost instantly into trance, her first experience of this kind ever. During her second stay Leonora was able to receive her first automatic writing message which she handed (while still in trance) to one of the sitters. The latter proved to be Judge Frost, and the letter came from his recently deceased son. Piper's popularity rose instantly and soon none other than professor William James visited her house in 1885 after the death of his son – initially with the purpose of disproving his wife's illusions concerning mediumship as a whole. Leonora Piper’s séance and her behavior in general deeply impressed professor James. He felt intrigued enough to devote from then on all of his spare time to study her case and even arrange many of her séances, working as a kind of part-time entrepreneur. Referring to these earlier years he wrote [22]: Taking everything that I know of Mrs. Piper into account, the result is to make me feel as absolutely certain as I am of any personal fact in the world that she knows things in her trances which she cannot possibly have heard in her waking state, and that the definite philosophy of her trances is yet to be found.[7] Later James wrote though he was interested in psychical research, he found the seance troubling, remarking that it was "a strange and in many ways disgusting experience, which I have conscientiously undertaken to sit out"(Correspondence 6:137). Leonora Piper's first spirit guide was called ‘Phinuit’: he purported to be a French doctor, professed little knowledge both of French language and of medicine. His historical existence could not be verified. His ‘regime’ lasted until 1892 when "George Pelham", a friend of Dr. Hodgson, appeared. In 1897 the ‘Imperator group’ took charge and brought major change to the way things were going: all of the ‘inferior’ interference ceased, the passing in and out of the trance for the medium became easier, the messages’ content became quasi-religious, although somewhat pompous. [7] Professor James challenged doctor Richard Hodgson, one of the heads of the SPR to come to the USA and continue research. The latter took every precaution to exclude the slightest chance of deception on the medium’s part, insisted on the anonymity of the sitters and never gave her any time to prepare for séances which were often held in improvisational manner. Contrary to popular belief Mrs. Piper was unable to identify "mystery sitters" until there were a number of sittings.[10] Still Mrs. Piper managed to convince him that her medium ship was genuine. She did have weak areas, never being particular about dates and second names, avoiding all things straightforward and concentrating mainly on the description of diseases and idiosyncrasies of the sitters. She demonstrated most disarming openness and honesty. In 1898 Prof. James wrote in the Psychological Review: Dr. Hodgson considers that the hypothesis of fraud cannot be seriously maintained. I agree with him absolutely. The medium has been under observation, much of the time under close observation, as to most of the conditions of her life, by a large number of persons, eager, many of them, to pounce upon any suspicious circumstance for (nearly) fifteen years. During that time not only has there not been one single suspicious circumstance remarked, but not one suggestion has ever been made from any quarter which might tend positively to explain how the medium, living the apparent life she leads, could possibly collect information about so many sitters by natural means. The scientist who is confident of 'fraud' here must remember that in science as much as in common life a hypothesis must receive some positive specification and determination before it can be profitably discussed, and a fraud which is no assigned kind of fraud, but simply 'fraud' at large, fraud in abstracto, can hardly be regarded as a specially scientific explanation of concrete facts. [6] In 1888 professor Hyslop joined the investigation: it took 12 sittings to convince him that his initial theory of 'dual personality' was wrong. “I prefer to believe that I have been talking to my dead relatives in person; it is simpler”, he declared. In 1889 Leonora Piper arrived in the UK, where professor Oliver Lodge and later Frederick W. H. Myers took responsibility for arranging the sittings and installing the test conditions. Lodge and Myers began by testing Mrs. Piper's trance state. The men pricked her with pins, burned her arm with a match, held ammonia under her nose. Nothing disturbed the sleeplike daze. [23] Between November 1889 and February 1890 she gave for them 88 séances during which convincingly proved her ability to produce lots of details about strange people's relatives, dead and alive. “That many of the facts given could not have been learnt even by a skilled detective. That to learn others of them, although possible, would have needed an expenditure of money as well as of time which it seems impossible to suppose that Mrs. Piper could have met. That her conduct has never given any ground whatever for supposing her capable of fraud or trickery”, F. W. H. Myers stated. [6] After Mrs. Piper's return to America doctor Hodgson took charge again. His second report for the SPR Proceedings [24] in 1897 was concluded with the words: I cannot profess to have any doubt but that the 'chief communicators '... are veritably the personalities that they claim to be; that they have survived the change we call death, and that they have directly communicated with us whom we call living through Mrs. Piper's entranced organism. Having tried the hypothesis of telepathy from the living for several years, and the 'spirit' hypothesis also for several years, I have no hesitation in affirming with the most absolute assurance that the 'spirit' hypothesis is justified by its fruits and the other hypothesis is not. [6] After Dr. Hodgson's sudden death in 1905 Mrs. Piper remained under the jurisdiction of the SPR and the sittings were continued under the charge of professor Hyslop. Her second visit to Britain a year later was devoted exclusively to the so-called ‘cross-correspondence’: a massive series of messages which started to arrive allegedly from the recently departed Myers, Edmund Gurney, Hodgson and some other psychic investigators. Leonora Piper has held on the whole 74 sitting. According to Oliver Lodge's report, - ...On the whole they (messages) tend to render certain the existence of some outside intelligence or control, distinct from the consciousness, and, so far as I can judge, from the subconsciousness also, of Mrs. Piper or other mediums. And they tend to render probable the working hypothesis, on which I choose to proceed, that the version of the nature of the intelligences which they themselves present and favour is something like the truth. In other words, I feel that we are in the secondary or tertiary touch - at least occasionally - with some stratum of the surviving personality of the individuals who are represented as sending messages.[7] After having six sitings with Dr.G. Stanley Hall, psychologist, amateur magician and his assistant Amy Tanner[10] she developed (according to her daughter Alta L. Piper’s 1929 biography) some kind of subconscious fear of entering a trance state and lost all of her trance abilities. Hall and Tanner theorized and agreed if Mrs. Piper could afford it and was no longer the property of marvel seekers she could lose her secondary personalities and live the normal life with other people that she desired. Her third visit to Britain (1909-1910) coincided with her having caught a severe cold eventually proved to be a failure. In 1910, in England, Piper was baptized and confirmed in the Anglican Church. [25] On May 24, 1911 a coming suspension of mediumship was announced by her ‘Imperator’ guide. Leonore Piper continued to receive messages through automatic writing but her once famous trance abilities re-emerged only once, in 1915 when a spirit-guide called ‘Faunus’ gave her one sensational message about Sir Oliver Lodge's son Raymond’s forthcoming death. Dr. Gardner Murphy in a footnote to his Challenge of Psychical Research (1961), page 200, states, "I had three years of sittings with Mrs. Piper in 1922 to 1925, near the end of her career. For the most part, my sittings were uneventful and lacking in the types of phenomena which characterized the zenith of her career. There were, however, some phenomena of interest, as appears for example, in the experiences of Jane H. Sagendorph: A vision and its Sequel, Boston Society for Psychic Research, 1928. Richard Hodgson was deeply affected by his sittings with Leonora Piper. She contacted the spirit of the deceased Australian woman Hodgson promised to marry. According to Hereward Carrington Hodgson reason deteriorated and he became a recluse in his dark room, believing he conversed with his lost love. Hodgson asked Carrington to keep this a secret. Not everyone shared my deep interest in this fascinating woman. |
miistermagico Regular user 154 Posts |
My error:
The name of Piper's manager is incorrect. It should be George B. (Buckingham) Dorr. Dorr, a Boston socialite, was put in charge of the Piper sittings by his friend, William James. Dorr acquired a salary for Richard Hodgson that remained anonymous. In a sitting after the death of Richard Hodgson, Leonora Piper(through R.H's spirit) revealed this knowledge. To others this came as a surprise. George B. Dorr and H. James Jr. became the administrators of Richard Hodgson's estate, for there was no will. When a sitter asks Piper for Hodgson's lost ring, after some delay Dorr produces it claiming it was recovered from among the deceased Hodgson's clothing. It is difficult to determine how many sittings there were with Dorr present, as another gets a private reading. 19 Feb 1906 There is some evidence Dorr records the reading and discusses it with the sitter to determine the meaning and correct things that are wrong. Proceedings for the Society for Psychical Research Volume 22 Sincerely, miistermagico |
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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Sounded like an interesting read and so I took the liberty of removing the spacing, hope it helps make it more readable for others too
Leonora Piper (born Leonore Simmonds, 1857 - died 1950) - According to psychologist G. Stanley Hall, historian Frank Podmore, magician and puzzler Martin Gardner, pulitzer winning science writer Deborah Blum, historian Ruth Brandon, and magic historian Milbourne Christopher, Leonora Piper is the most famous trance medium in the history of Spiritualism. For a quarter of a century she provided the most convincing evidence for the reality of life after death or telepathy to some of the keenest, predominately male, minds in science.[1][2][3][4] [5][6][7] Mrs. Piper was a simple middle class house wife. She never was a "professional medium," in the strict sense she had not advertised and charged a fee, [7] and she did not read for the general public. After the death of Richard Hodgson in 1905, sittings were only arranged through her manager George E. Dorr, representing the English Society for the Study for Psychical Research. Her sittings were never free. Piper avoided the company of spiritualists, had never regulary attended seances, and did not subscribe to or read spiritualist publications. But she did read at some length the publications of the Society for Psychical Research, especially the accounts of her own sittings. Piper claimed to have no memory regarding her sittings. [8] Piper also claimed she did not receive telepathic messages. Among those who studied Mrs. Piper’s medium ship were prominent scientists: Sir Oliver Lodge, Dr. Richard Hodgson, and professors James Hyslop [9] and William James. Among her investigators and sitters the loss of a dear loved one was usually a common factor in the 19th century. After twelve sittings James Hyslop was convinced the answer to Mrs. Piper's esoteric messages was that she communicated with spirits of the dead and strongly denied the possibility of messages coming from her subconscious mind and deception. Hyslop was certain he had spoken to his deceased father through Mrs. Piper and her control. Even though Mrs. Piper was a believer in her extraordinary powers, her manager, George E Dorr, invited further investigation. [10] Dorr set up six sittings with Dr.G. Stanley Hall, psychologist, and his assistant, Amy Tanner, from Clark University. (A sitting with Mrs. Piper about 1910 cost $20.00. This would be equivalent to $456.60 in 2008. Mrs. Piper made about $1000.00 per year from her sittings. This would be equivalent to $22830.14 in 2008). [11][12] Three were to be paid for by Hall and the other three were free, coming from Dorr's pocket. Several times before Hall had attempted to get sittings through Richard Hodgson, who kept her dates from 1887 till his death in 1905, with no success. Hall was told all her available time and strength were monopolised by psychic researchers and that a man of uncertain purposes outside their circle might mar the quality of her work. [13] In 1909 Dr.G. Stanley Hall and Amy Tanner had six sittings with Mrs.Piper. [14][15] The use of a stenographer was not allowed. A pledge was given that no experiments were to be performed that might affect the medium's power. Piper sat at a table and rested her head on three pillows. Piper's ears were never covered at any time before, during, or after trance. It was claimed Piper only heard sounds during trance through the palm of her right hand that was placed close to a sitter's mouth. The sitter had to speak loudly or shout and was often asked to repeat their words into the hand. Piper's right hand also wrote answers and questions, often illegible, on a pad with a pencil. The writing hand paused at the end of each completed page below the pad, so the top completed page could be torn off and read by those in the sitting room. [16] [17] While Piper is in trance Dorr had assured and almost invited sitters to move about and converse in low tones. As it becomes apparent to the sitters Piper is in a truly deep sleep and will not awaken, they are soon whispering and then speaking freely, believing Piper cannot hear a word. Piper snored. Yet the immediate control during trance has told sitters he does not like their whispering because it makes him suspicious. Also during trance the control has resonded to other private conversations within the sitting room. Out of trance Piper was poor at remembering names, but good at remembering both faces and voices, especially voices.[18] [19] The team of Hall and Tanner did not agree with Hyslop's conclusions.[10][20] Hyslop estimated about 1910 that $75,000 (equivalent to $1,712,260.20 in 2008) [21] had been spent on the investigation and the publishing of Mrs. Piper's case. 2000 pages had been printed in The Society for Psychical Research's Prooceedings.[8] Biography At the age of 22 Leonora married William Piper of Boston. Soon afterwards she visited a clairvoyant, Dr. J. R. Cocke. Touched by his hand, she fell almost instantly into trance, her first experience of this kind ever. During her second stay Leonora was able to receive her first automatic writing message which she handed (while still in trance) to one of the sitters. The latter proved to be Judge Frost, and the letter came from his recently deceased son. Piper's popularity rose instantly and soon none other than professor William James visited her house in 1885 after the death of his son – initially with the purpose of disproving his wife's illusions concerning mediumship as a whole. Leonora Piper’s séance and her behavior in general deeply impressed professor James. He felt intrigued enough to devote from then on all of his spare time to study her case and even arrange many of her séances, working as a kind of part-time entrepreneur. Referring to these earlier years he wrote [22]: Taking everything that I know of Mrs. Piper into account, the result is to make me feel as absolutely certain as I am of any personal fact in the world that she knows things in her trances which she cannot possibly have heard in her waking state, and that the definite philosophy of her trances is yet to be found.[7] Later James wrote though he was interested in psychical research, he found the seance troubling, remarking that it was "a strange and in many ways disgusting experience, which I have conscientiously undertaken to sit out"(Correspondence 6:137). Leonora Piper's first spirit guide was called ‘Phinuit’: he purported to be a French doctor, professed little knowledge both of French language and of medicine. His historical existence could not be verified. His ‘regime’ lasted until 1892 when "George Pelham", a friend of Dr. Hodgson, appeared. In 1897 the ‘Imperator group’ took charge and brought major change to the way things were going: all of the ‘inferior’ interference ceased, the passing in and out of the trance for the medium became easier, the messages’ content became quasi-religious, although somewhat pompous. [7] Professor James challenged doctor Richard Hodgson, one of the heads of the SPR to come to the USA and continue research. The latter took every precaution to exclude the slightest chance of deception on the medium’s part, insisted on the anonymity of the sitters and never gave her any time to prepare for séances which were often held in improvisational manner. Contrary to popular belief Mrs. Piper was unable to identify "mystery sitters" until there were a number of sittings.[10] Still Mrs. Piper managed to convince him that her medium ship was genuine. She did have weak areas, never being particular about dates and second names, avoiding all things straightforward and concentrating mainly on the description of diseases and idiosyncrasies of the sitters. She demonstrated most disarming openness and honesty. In 1898 Prof. James wrote in the Psychological Review: Dr. Hodgson considers that the hypothesis of fraud cannot be seriously maintained. I agree with him absolutely. The medium has been under observation, much of the time under close observation, as to most of the conditions of her life, by a large number of persons, eager, many of them, to pounce upon any suspicious circumstance for (nearly) fifteen years. During that time not only has there not been one single suspicious circumstance remarked, but not one suggestion has ever been made from any quarter which might tend positively to explain how the medium, living the apparent life she leads, could possibly collect information about so many sitters by natural means. The scientist who is confident of 'fraud' here must remember that in science as much as in common life a hypothesis must receive some positive specification and determination before it can be profitably discussed, and a fraud which is no assigned kind of fraud, but simply 'fraud' at large, fraud in abstracto, can hardly be regarded as a specially scientific explanation of concrete facts. [6] In 1888 professor Hyslop joined the investigation: it took 12 sittings to convince him that his initial theory of 'dual personality' was wrong. “I prefer to believe that I have been talking to my dead relatives in person; it is simpler”, he declared. In 1889 Leonora Piper arrived in the UK, where professor Oliver Lodge and later Frederick W. H. Myers took responsibility for arranging the sittings and installing the test conditions. Lodge and Myers began by testing Mrs. Piper's trance state. The men pricked her with pins, burned her arm with a match, held ammonia under her nose. Nothing disturbed the sleeplike daze. [23] Between November 1889 and February 1890 she gave for them 88 séances during which convincingly proved her ability to produce lots of details about strange people's relatives, dead and alive. “That many of the facts given could not have been learnt even by a skilled detective. That to learn others of them, although possible, would have needed an expenditure of money as well as of time which it seems impossible to suppose that Mrs. Piper could have met. That her conduct has never given any ground whatever for supposing her capable of fraud or trickery”, F. W. H. Myers stated. [6] After Mrs. Piper's return to America doctor Hodgson took charge again. His second report for the SPR Proceedings [24] in 1897 was concluded with the words: I cannot profess to have any doubt but that the 'chief communicators '... are veritably the personalities that they claim to be; that they have survived the change we call death, and that they have directly communicated with us whom we call living through Mrs. Piper's entranced organism. Having tried the hypothesis of telepathy from the living for several years, and the 'spirit' hypothesis also for several years, I have no hesitation in affirming with the most absolute assurance that the 'spirit' hypothesis is justified by its fruits and the other hypothesis is not. [6] After Dr. Hodgson's sudden death in 1905 Mrs. Piper remained under the jurisdiction of the SPR and the sittings were continued under the charge of professor Hyslop. Her second visit to Britain a year later was devoted exclusively to the so-called ‘cross-correspondence’: a massive series of messages which started to arrive allegedly from the recently departed Myers, Edmund Gurney, Hodgson and some other psychic investigators. Leonora Piper has held on the whole 74 sitting. According to Oliver Lodge's report, - ...On the whole they (messages) tend to render certain the existence of some outside intelligence or control, distinct from the consciousness, and, so far as I can judge, from the subconsciousness also, of Mrs. Piper or other mediums. And they tend to render probable the working hypothesis, on which I choose to proceed, that the version of the nature of the intelligences which they themselves present and favour is something like the truth. In other words, I feel that we are in the secondary or tertiary touch - at least occasionally - with some stratum of the surviving personality of the individuals who are represented as sending messages.[7] After having six sitings with Dr.G. Stanley Hall, psychologist, amateur magician and his assistant Amy Tanner[10] she developed (according to her daughter Alta L. Piper’s 1929 biography) some kind of subconscious fear of entering a trance state and lost all of her trance abilities. Hall and Tanner theorized and agreed if Mrs. Piper could afford it and was no longer the property of marvel seekers she could lose her secondary personalities and live the normal life with other people that she desired. Her third visit to Britain (1909-1910) coincided with her having caught a severe cold eventually proved to be a failure. In 1910, in England, Piper was baptized and confirmed in the Anglican Church. [25] On May 24, 1911 a coming suspension of mediumship was announced by her ‘Imperator’ guide. Leonore Piper continued to receive messages through automatic writing but her once famous trance abilities re-emerged only once, in 1915 when a spirit-guide called ‘Faunus’ gave her one sensational message about Sir Oliver Lodge's son Raymond’s forthcoming death. Dr. Gardner Murphy in a footnote to his Challenge of Psychical Research (1961), page 200, states, "I had three years of sittings with Mrs. Piper in 1922 to 1925, near the end of her career. For the most part, my sittings were uneventful and lacking in the types of phenomena which characterized the zenith of her career. There were, however, some phenomena of interest, as appears for example, in the experiences of Jane H. Sagendorph: A vision and its Sequel, Boston Society for Psychic Research, 1928. Richard Hodgson was deeply affected by his sittings with Leonora Piper. She contacted the spirit of the deceased Australian woman Hodgson promised to marry. According to Hereward Carrington Hodgson reason deteriorated and he became a recluse in his dark room, believing he conversed with his lost love. Hodgson asked Carrington to keep this a secret. Not everyone shared my deep interest in this fascinating woman.
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
So what special something is it that gives the medium the ability to communicate with the dead? Why do loved ones want to speak to strangers and not their families themselves? How can we ever know if these mediums are scammers or not?
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
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On May 9, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote: A willingness to listen?
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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On May 9, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote: I would contend that in a time of grief and with a strong connection to a loved one who passed FAMILY would be willing to listen.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
It all comes down to this, if you loved someone deeply, and they were suddenly gone.....
Who wouldn't want to talk with them, even if it involved another person? People will even put up with some fantasy on their part, just to subconsciously convince themselves that they had contact with their loved one. |
miistermagico Regular user 154 Posts |
Some of us that lost a loved one may ask the voice critical questions that we may know or not
know to be correct. This would assure ourselves that our own mind and reason were not being deceived. One could begin with: What was the address of the last place you lived? Who were the loved ones at your death bed? What are you wearing in your coffin? Where were you married and who performed the ceremony? What are the full names of your mother and father? Etc, etc. Not everyone welcomes delusions. Delusions can cause anxiety, loss of critical reason and endanger mental health. |
jstreiff Special user 701 Posts |
At the same time there has been research into grieving that shows that having a sitting actually relieves stress and does nit cause them extended anxieties skeptics claim.
http://www.windbridge.org/factsheets/WRC_grief.pdf
John
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miistermagico Regular user 154 Posts |
The study of human behavior also includes the study of human necessities.
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