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leosx1 Veteran user 337 Posts |
Concerning the numbering: I don't remember where I have seen this but I will give out 3 pens with different point sizes, this speeds up the drawing and eliminates the need to put anything on the front.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
He explains plausably why only one pen.
Plus, who wants to carry three pens. |
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1573 Posts |
Agreed, his justification for having only one pen makes perfect sense. I never took notice of this before but it's absolutely true.
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DrewBstoss Special user SLC, Utah 582 Posts |
Maybe I'm being overly sensitive - but some of these comments are pushing the boundaries of what should be discussed on this public forum. The "merely curious" would have to read between the lines but a lot of info has been shared...
Again - there's a forum connected to this product for owners (or, at least, we can speak a little more freely in Inner Thoughts). Best, Drew
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
I have posted my suggestion for eliminating the numbering on the forum.
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3062 Posts |
It is always a fine line between magicians helping magicians and exposure. But that's what makes the Café unique. As an owner of this I have to say I'm comfortable with the posts so far as to not exposing anything. But I do see as we discuss this and other effects more deeply it could get close. I have to admit I love the ideas that come up though.
Good magic to all Eric |
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Al Straker Grammar Host Australia 1129 Posts |
Very nice release from Lewis! Definitely a great go to piece with simple items. What really will make the performance memorable is the personal readings. Although I don't think it's necessary it would be nice to find a way to eliminate the one slightly illogical step (placing pile on top) or come up with some kind of justifying logic to motivate that step convincingly. I have been trying a couple of alternative approaches but yet to settle on something.
Al Straker
Resident Mystery Entertainer at Multiple Venues Music & Mentalism Specialty Act 'Completely Mental' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGhApqnG7I (Old clip, show has changed quite a bit since then!) Jazz & Contemporary Musician/Composer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnN3JNmeKns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_zfOvpneA |
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
"You can't see the writing through that paper, right? Just to be sure I'm going to place these on top."
OR "Psychometry requires touching those cards but I don't want to touch them directly in case you think I'm sneaking a peek. So I'll place these on top and will just lightly touch them." OR The idea mentioned earlier of drawing a "movie screen" on the top card. |
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LewisLeVal Regular user 131 Posts |
Hello everyone! I am glad to see so many of you enjoying AOK!
I spotted a few things throughout this thread that I thought I should address. This isn't a response to anyone in particular, just to a few of the things discussed. This is a new piece to a lot of people (not the methods, the routine as a whole) and I am seeing the same thought patterns I went through when creating the routine. Should I do this move instead of that move? Is this justified? Will that work? Should I do this? I had no intention of releasing this until recently, so the effect as you see it is what I've been doing for live audiences night after night. I've eliminated things and changed things over time, to the point where this effect best suits me. Of course if there are any changes you want to make to suit your style/performance/character, then please do! I used to draw an eye on the top card that I would hold my hand over, and the effect was originally called the Art Of Seeing, not long after I first started performing it I ditched the eye and changed it to the Art Of Knowing after realising that the eye just wasn't needed. It is a nice presentational point but all it did was make people aware of the cards, it drew unnecessary attention to them. The placing of the stack of cards on the table is totally logical. The audience know you can't see anything anyway, so they won't argue when you make it even more difficult for yourself to see what they have drawn. It's also a nice way of emptying your hands for a few moments. They will remember you touching absolutely nothing when revealing the information. This nicely removes any "what if.." Thoughts from their mind. You touched nothing. You could mark the backs or edges of the cards, but that means you have to mark the back or the edges of the cards. Is it not better to be able to do it without marking anything? For the thing that I said was never questioned by spectators, it has never been questioned, only mentioned. There is an important difference. And only once or twice in about a hundred performances is it mentioned, which is easy to brush off. The card move used is actually the card move's goofy cousin. It doesn't have to be perfect, it can be sloppy, it's never seen. Another point I wanted to make is, don't try and justify something that doesn't need to be justified. Don't do the mentalism equivalent of "I have a normal deck of cards". We are picking at the smallest things, things that never even cross the spectators mind. Every single thing you say to them will be in their mind. So if you mention something that doesn't need mentioning then of course they will think about it or question it. They don't know what it takes to read minds, you do. If you just continue with your normal mind reading process, who are they to question anything? You are the expert. If they ever did question you, it is only out of curiosity, not suspicion. Regarding doing this with pieces of paper, I will give you an example of when I use it. There is a bar here that I often perform in, and they give me a stack of complimentary drink tickets to use in my routines and hand out to people. These are glossy, smaller than business cards and are on the thinnest paper stock ever. They aren't the best things to use, but can be used just fine. I will upload a photo of them later. The best part is, rather than claiming their free drink with it, many people choose to keep this ticket with their drawing on the back as a little souvenir! I hope that answers any questions (from what I can remember) I'm currently typing this in the sun and struggling to see the screen. I will hop back on later on and answer any more questions you may have Thank you all for your support and I am so glad to see so many people using AOK! Cheers guys! |
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
Hi Lewis
A well put together download .. Clearly people are loving it and you are generating audience reactions to make it part of your Working repetitive but for me there are too many actions which have no justification that irk in my mind . I guess I am more of a creator than performer Kind Regards Andrew |
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
Here is the link for the DOATM book...
https://sellfy.com/p/hEui/ Or https://www.magicshop.co.uk/diary-of-a-t......download The ad copy reads nice. Is this Video download an improvement over the routine in the book? Ray |
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ash2arani Special user 923 Posts |
I bought the book and it is great. AOK is wonderful in construction. Of course, I will need some time to personalize it but the book has a lot of nice presentations, themes, and food for thought.
Note that AOK comes with a 1.5 minute video showing thr actual work from performer's view. I would like to know if the Penguin download is worth having if one owns the book. Or is it exacrly as described in DOATM. |
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Stunninger Inner circle 2819 Posts |
AOK (Art of Knowing) is an amazing routine, with a very simple and very deceptive method. Drawing duplications are just a starting point. The method can be used to obtain any information written on the cards, with 100% of the card visible to the performer. And, after each reveal, you can, if you choose, hand each person's card back to them. On top of that, you end completely clean. Highly recommended.
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
I like this a lot.... the stack part, I do like to drop a business card on top with an eyeball on it....glad to know that I accidentally went back to the original concept - I find for me it fits more with the eerie side of my character.... I like also then the stack acts as a "block" to see through - either way, I love this routine.
Got my mind clinking around!
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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Stunninger Inner circle 2819 Posts |
Another aspect of AOK I really like is no wallets or envelopes are used. Nothing wrong at all with envelopes or wallets. Some routines are enhanced by their use, in certain contexts they offer advantages and some performers just like using them. That said, I really like the effect AOK achieves with nothing other than a small stack of completely ungimmicked cards and a pen.
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
Excellent work! This is definitely something I will use.
kJ |
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kevin carmean Regular user 159 Posts |
I really like this. The simplicity of the whole thing and being totally clean at the beginning and end is great. Lots of possibilities. Great effect Lewis!
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seamagu Special user 885 Posts |
Hey Lewis, just want to say this is a class routine. Ran with it today on one person doing a past present future type routine. Man it really is great. Easy to do and super powerful.
Well done Lewis and thanks for sharing ;-) Séa
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RedDevil Inner circle Deep South 1315 Posts |
Am I crazy?
Combine this with a fairer version of Rose by Fraser. First, Second, Last. Allow the spect to jump and apply any word of description. Reading and name reveal. I believe this is vague enough for only those who have both to get the jist without giving away methods.
www.reddevilmentalism.com
F-F-U-L-Ri-F-F-Li-R-U-F-F |
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Magidoc New user 89 Posts |
RedDevil, that's a beautiful idea. In fact I liked the idea so much I immediately grabbed my business cards and tried it out. Even to a well seasoned spectator who is lucky(?) enough to watch all things magic I perform, she was freaking out every step of the way. Revealing the name at the end was an added kicker which allowed the effect to flow so well and gave every step purpose. So yes, you're crazy, a crazy good thinker!!
This just solidifies the point that AOK is so versatile you can combine it with other effects such as Rose. But even that isn't necessary because on its own it's crazy strong. I've performed it a handful of times already and it goes over than more than just a feat of mind reading. It's so much more personal than that and forces the spectators to the only conclusion which is you picking up on their personalities. Revealing their drawing is almost not as important. One of my favorite effects released in a while. Michael |
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