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pierredan Special user Dai Vernon's birthplace 540 Posts |
I believe there may be a misprint. The memory path number 7 depicts a giraff but it's neck is facing the wrong way. It looks like a reverse 7, the image is not consistent with the others.
If this is a mistake, I wish it gets corrected before I lock it into my memory and start combining the key with the path. |
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pierredan Special user Dai Vernon's birthplace 540 Posts |
Correction: There is no misprint. The "7" is there, I just didn't see it.
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RJLockwood Regular user Raleigh, NC 162 Posts |
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On Sep 24, 2016, pierredan wrote: This got me to for the longest time
The more I learn, the less I seem to know.
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andre.eighty New user 42 Posts |
Does the Amazon version show locations 27-50? When will Book B be release?
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Nathan Horne Regular user 111 Posts |
So if I understand this correctly, the book only teaches you half of the stack and only contains 26 images?
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5203 Posts |
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pierredan Special user Dai Vernon's birthplace 540 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2016, Nathan Horne wrote: The book provides 26 images corresponding to 26 numbers. A second book is planned and it is expected to provide images 27 to 50 (why not 52, I have no clue). The system works very well and the images artistically represents the number. The big problem with the current release is that you have to link two cards to one number and then divide by 2. Why not provide 52 images. Although this will work if you put in the effort, it makes no sense to me that one would have to do the additional step of some math when you could easily link on card to one image. I believe they may re-release this system when the other images are ready and book B is released. |
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
No need for locations 27 through 50 for a deck of cards.
You put two images on each location. Much faster that way, btw. One card is in the foreground, the other in the background. And because the cards are in spatial quadrants -- the suit is automatically a part of the image. (In other words, no need to picture a number and suit. For example, I used to see the two of hearts as 'B' and 'H' ('B' as 2, 'H' as 'H' -- so in my old system, 2H = 'Boss Hogg' -- a word starting with 'B' and a word starting with 'H'). Here, you only need an image for the 2 and then a spatial quadrant to place the image in your location. It sounds complicated, but once you see the explanation here, you realize how quickly it clicks. I bought both books -- the Tamariz and the Aronson -- and they're superb. Absolutely superb. I've already memorized my stacks with the Dominic system -- but if I'd had these books, I would have -- literally -- been able to memorize both stacks within a week. The artwork here is the key -- vivid, suggestive, and (exactly the point) memorable. If you've ever wanted to learn a stack -- or, better yet, learn to memorize a randomly shuffled deck of cards -- these are the books. These are fantastic. I can't recommend these enough. |
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On Nov 21, 2016, pierredan wrote: This is not a problem. This is the point. It's *much* faster. The 26 locations are a feature -- not a bug. Why only put a single image in an entire location? Why not use the tactile memory texture of their locations (or your own) to leverage two cards? If you image a tower in a field, for example (their number one location) why not leverage the sky, the field, the foreground, and the background. In fact, they leverage quadrants for the suits -- two in the top of the image (sky for the tower), two in the bottom (grassy field). Put one (card) image in the foreground, one in the background. Remember, too, that you're not linking two cards to one *number*. You're linking two cards to one *location* which has Tamariz's number automatically a part of it. The tower is number one, because it looks like number one. It's already there -- and you're seeing it as part of the image. So the idea is to force your mind to consciously think of images which subconsciously -- or less consciously -- supply the number (and the card values and suits). The "magic" here is how the imagery supplies the answer -- not necessarily the forced translation to the (to the mind, at least) less mundane "position in the stack, card value, and card suit". The less you think of the mundane stuff, the more powerful this method becomes. Let the mundane stuff happen through the imagery! It's a kind of (computer science) transclusion for stack location through image embedding. |
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2016, Nathan Horne wrote: Incorrect. Everything you need to know for the entire Tamariz stack is here. You put two images in each location. 26 * 2 = 52. |
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pierredan Special user Dai Vernon's birthplace 540 Posts |
I have difficulty being convinced by your arguments.
In order to perform memorized deck magic, the 2 basic requirements are to know: 1- the card at a certain stack number;  and 2 - the stack number of a certain card. Currently, the books offer 26 images representing numbers 1 to 26. If my trick requires me to remember what card is at stack  position 37 the current system requires me to divide 37 by 2. 13.5. So now I have to think of image 13 (the butterfly). Now I have to remember which card image in my butterfly picture is in the  background or foreground. That is not a very straight line. Now if 52 images were provided, I would only have to visualize image 37 and the only card image associated with that number would pop into mind. Much better. This is what I thought was being provided. |
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2016, pierredan wrote: Um, ok. You obviously have the book because you know 13 is a butterfly. if that's the case -- and if you need 26 additional locations -- then, well, imagine 26 different locations. Given the book's locations -- and the book's artwork -- it's not hard to imagine 26 more. Go ahead. That's fine. The book is still valuable. You don't need to wait for anything else -- and you certainly don't need 'Book B' to tell you, okay, location 27 is a parrot and giraffe attempting to eat the same tree. If that's what you want -- and if it sticks -- you can memorize it. You can memorize 28 as a snake wrapped around a headless snowman in a floodplain. If that works -- that's it. Me, I know that expert card memory folks don't have 52 locations for 52 cards. They don't have 26 locations for 52 either. They put 3 or 4 cards in a single location. That's how you memorize a deck in 16 seconds. I can't do that, but I understand the theory behind it -- and I understand that the idea is not being told what to memorize. It's being told *how* to memorize and then finding your own way to visualize the tactile images. Does it bother me that 27 divided 2 is 13.5? No -- because I know odd cards are in the foreground, even in the background. That's what I decided, that's what the book essentially urges you to do, and ... well, that's what works. If you need 26 more locations -- then memorize them. No one' stopping you. The book's value is in reinforcing the (ancient!) system -- and explaining it. Heck, if want to put one card in each location -- and then wait for someone else to say, well, location 27 is X, location 28 is Y -- then, well, by all means ... wait. But you do understand that the book explains this and uses spatial positioning to identify two cards -- suits and values! -- per location? It's awesome -- and (for me, at least) works incredibly well. Maybe you didn't get to that point in the book that explains why only 26 locations are needed? *shrug* |
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pierredan Special user Dai Vernon's birthplace 540 Posts |
Remembering 2 cards per memory path number is fine if you want to remember a sequence.
1 to 52. But 2 cards per memory path is not the best system to learn and use a memorized deck. I noticed I made a math error above. 37 divided by 2 is 18.5 and not 13.5 which points to another problem with this system for a memorized stack. Under performance pressure, the last thing I want to worry about is a calculation error. I bought this pdf because it sold itself as a visual memory system to learn mnemonica. The best system would have provided 52 memory paths. I felt mislead when only 26 were provided and at the same time the book was pitching to me the next volume for 27 to 50. As for creating the images for 27 to 52 myself... If I was creative enough to do that I would not have been interested in purchasing the book. |
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2016, pierredan wrote: Well, then book is not for you. Clearly. That's too bad. However, for most folks -- the book will be more than enough. The math for me at least is non issue. I'm able to divide fine -- even under pressure. If you can't divide, then, yes, don't buy the book. Or buy the book and add 26 more locations. Problem solved. The issue, though, is that the book is more than simple locations. It's a book about how to memorize a deck of cards -- and then how to memorize a stack. The locations are obviously important, but, as the authors say, you must make the locations your own. It's one thing to say "whirlpool" (location 6) or a tunnel (location 9) -- it's another thing altogether to know how those images translate to the specifics of deck of cards or the Tamariz stack. It's hard work -- but this book makes it incredibly, incredibly easy. For most folks, at least. Tamariz himself says the same thing. He urges you to sing the cards, to record your voice, to write on the cards -- and, ultimately, to figure out your own path to the stack. Until you realize it's just you and the cards -- and no one else -- no books, no Tamariz, no systems -- you'll never get it. It's hard, conscious work. There's no magic for that. It's all brain work. Some brains get it, some brains don't. It's rough. I get it. |
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pierredan Special user Dai Vernon's birthplace 540 Posts |
Nope. I don't think you get it (David?).
You still defend the book for its memory system, which is fine, but the book is marketed to magicians to learn a memorized stack for memorized magic. 52 memory path images would have provided a cleaner visual system. |
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Nathan Horne Regular user 111 Posts |
I was hoping the images aligned with the 'Mega Memory Tree List' (1 - Tree, 2 - lightswitch etc). At school I studied the list up to number 20 and have been using it to remember 20 things in order (like on the infomercials). I'm worried now that this new memory list will confuse me : D
I am however still interested in seeing the images and will probably pick this up when book B is released. |
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2016, pierredan wrote: I get it. I'm saying that it doesn't need 52 images. 26 works fine. You say it does. 26 is not enough. Fair enough. Either way, the book is superb for memorizing a deck of cards or a stack like Tamariz or Arnonson. Had I found this before committing to the Dominic system (and, again, 26 locations with 2 images per card -- one person, one action for the person) -- I would have saved many hours of memorization time. In fact, what I realized with the 'Memory Arts' is that I had the locations and card images committed to memory within 48 hours. After a day or so of practice, I had the whole system -- including the spatial positioning for the suits -- memorized. A nice way to get a stack down in 3 days. Bonus here -- as with any major system -- is that you can memorize a randomly shuffled deck of cards easily. I find that calling out a random deck of cards is often more impressive than an actual series of tricks to some people! |
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pierredan Special user Dai Vernon's birthplace 540 Posts |
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On Nov 23, 2016, Nathan Horne wrote: Despite my comments above on the current value of book A for my purposes to memorize and recall a memorized stack in order to perform memorized deck magic, I will definitely be purchasing book B as well. Once armed with 50 (I hope they will release 52) images, this will be the best system available for the above stated purpose. |
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shakuni Inner circle 1170 Posts |
I am not sure if there will be a book B with more images when the first book does cover the full stack. Can anyone please confirm? Thanks.
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
Book B will add more locations to the Feinaglian grid. They talk about the grid near the end of the book in the 'Advanced' section. The grid a way to visualize 50 loci in 3 dimensional space. Book B will cover these additional places (27-50).
The Feinaglian grid is essentially a room where you find yourself sitting in a specific quadrant of the floor and able to look left, right, behind you, forward, and above -- and see the specific loci based on their quadrant position on the walls. However, this three-dimensional space -- a memory map, in other words -- has only locations 1 through 26 at the moment. "Locations 27 through 50 will be added in Book B," write the authors. The grid has nothing to with the Tamariz stack specifically -- or even a deck of cards. As the authors repeatedly point out in Book A -- everything you need to know to memorize a deck of cards or a stack -- is in Book A. Book B simply enables more loci to fill out the Feinaglian diagram. Me, I see Book B as a way to memorize *2* decks maybe -- especially if the location images are as vivid as those in the current book. Keep in mind, too, that a good third of this current book -- book A -- is dedicated to showing two cards per location with fantastic, hand-drawn artwork. Location 1 (for example): A big steel door in the foreground (upper left) is falling on a group of noisy shrews in the background (lower left). This image represents the first two cards in Tamariz: 4C and 2H. So despite pleas for additional locations, the book(s) are designed -- and the artwork created -- to represent two cards in each loci. The pictures are actually painted that way to assist your image retention. If you want to use 1 card per location -- that's fine -- but you won't be able to use the book's combined pictures (location + cards) to do this. You can use the book's locations -- and the book's card images -- but not the book's combined pictures. That's an important point, especially since the pictures are fantastic when it comes to remembering a big door falling on a group of shrews. That photo is weird enough -- and vivid enough -- that you won't forget it! And -- just to reiterate -- both the Tamariz book and the Aronson book (I have both) cover the full stacks. There's nothing missing. The books even have a diagram with each card in order in their respective stack. So if you're worried that somehow this only covers "half a stack" -- it doesn't. It covers the full stack order for Aronson and Tamariz. All 52 cards. Everything's here. Nothing's missing or "saved for the next book." There are no effects or tips, however, for either Tamariz or Aronson -- just a grid with the respective stack in order and artwork designed to place 2 cards in each of 26 locations. |
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