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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I'll just add that I don't understand the hostility to Mirrah. She was showing the effort it takes to bend a thick coin. Which, that did not look like a lot of effort.
My concern is now that the items shown in the "The gimmick hides in plain sight" picture don't seem to have much of a place in a parlor show to me. I don't really do walk around performances or table hopping, I prefer to be on a stage with as little as possible around me. While I think this product seems pretty solid, I am thinking it's probably not for me.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
This feels like a ventriloquist act - who is speaking for whom?
Mirrah (creator's girlfriend) or Jimmy Strange himself with her avatar?
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts |
Brett, are you suggesting Mirrah is incapable of speaking for herself?!? Come on.. you are better than this trolling...
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Mark8infiniti Special user 612 Posts |
LOL!!!!!!!! 6 PAGES AND STILL NO DEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't see what the issue is??? Show the gimmick in action - nobody will EVER BE ABLE TO RECREATE it at home - it's industrial!!! If people like it.. they will buy it.. ... But no, people won't like it!! It's so obvious, if we saw what we had to hold in our hands WE WON'T BUY IT. Therefore, MOM are desperately trying to TRICK US into buying it, trying to sell us 'HALF OF THE PICTURE'... it's a seriously transparent marketing ploy that we are tired of. I guarantee. nobody would buy this if we needed to carry a packet of chewing in one hand and a pair of headphones in the other.. Coinvexed was way too much!! Two pieces just is not necessary when we have QB. And to resort to using 'women'to sell an item is just low... really low...
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts |
Resort to using women?!?! What's wrong with women being involved in magic?
What an odd statement...
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2016, mh1001 wrote: CV being two pieces is a non-issue, reason being they are logically in play thus flies by. QB is great as well because again, the device is disguised as something which is logically in play. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2016, Dominic Reyes wrote: Au contraire monsieur Dominic... The reality is no one but no one here knows who "Mirrah with the fake last name" is? As you know it is typical good manners here on the Café for one to introduce themselves as a new member, and also discuss a little about their background in magic. When brand new members suddenly appear on a new release thread - and those members appear to be acting as a mouthpiece for the creator - and the creator is nowhere to be found within the thread - then one MIGHT logically conclude that it is the new member (or dealer like you hyping the new product) who are acting as the naughty trolls Honestly, I could care less Dominic if the new member is male or female - and lord knows we need and should encourage many more women to join this magic frat house. Where is the creator? Who is Mirrah? What is her background? And why is Hercules better than the gold standard - QB3? This whole thread feels really fishy.
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Karl M Inner circle 1276 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2016, saysold1 wrote: I wondered that my self,mirrah cleerly isn't writing the posts,it's either Jimmy or Dominic's |
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2016, Karl M wrote: Yes clearly karl lol, you know what they say about assumption... Kieran Kieran |
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2016, kissdadookie wrote: Do you own both QB and CV ? I have both and I tell you this : QB is more comfortable to use than CV. Perhaps you would say it's also a matter of being used to the 2-piece gimmick, but honestly, I feel really weird when having a hand full of coins when bending a coin. Furthermore, all coins are not ferro*****tic. I saw someone on the Café showing a demo of him doing the coin bend with CV (2 or 3, I don't remember) but he hides one of the gimmicks under the coin purse, which is clever. Still, even in this condition, the hands are full. For me it's important to feel really comfortable when using such gimmicks, especially because lot of coins are so hard to bend quickly. That's why I also understand why people here are concerned about the look of the Hercules gimmick, although I think the hostility should cease, as it makes the thread so annoying to read. Half of the comments are just trolling. Anyway, I agree that if the gimmicks are justifiable, there is no need to use pull to hide them, as is the case with Absolute Coin Bender and Superman. The drawback is that CV's gimmick is disguised in a way that makes it not comfortable to handle (for me, at least). Also, one significant thing : QB being a one-piece gimmick, the coin is locked in place. No way it could fall into the ground. For CV, when you bend coins such as 1, 2, 5 cts, it's not difficult and the bend is done rather quickly (2 seconds maximum), but for 10 cts, it's much more difficult, so the chance that coin will slip away is much higher. The reason is because if the coin shows some resistance, as you insist and push even further, the coin slips and is not well centered anymore between the two pieces of the gimmick. With QB, I hold one side of the coin with my thumb, and there is no problem, because the other side is pushed against my index finger that is also holding the sharpie, so the coin hold into place by just holding the sharpie tightly (I don't know if my explanation is clear, my english is not that good). Again, maybe there's a method to better hold the coin in gimmicks like CV, but I don't remember this being explained in David Penn's DVD. And I didn't find a way to hold the coin in place, anyway. I'm guessing that although Hercules is a two piece gimmick, the coins won't slip away if they are easy to bend, as Hercules seems to be very powerful. So it's less a problem for Hercules than for CV. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2016, mh1001 wrote: I've played around with both. Btw there's no need for the coins to be m******c. The construction of the device that you have to construct requires something else to put it together. Also the design of CV gives you lots of coverage and one part of it also gives you good leverage due to the surface area for your hand to be in contact with. With QB, I find the biggest advantage being that you can do the work single handed (depending on the coin you are using). Both have about equal risk of dropping the coin as well so that's really a non-issue. Now, the inclusion of the CV halves having a certain "attraction" to each other, I have found that to be of benefit when getting the device out (you could do a single coin bend with it, you would have to build the misdirection into your presentation of course but you don't actually have to build out the part of the device that was intended for you to build out, it's small enough for you to !@#$*r p**m). |
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
In my opinion the questions people are asking regarding details of the Hercules are quite reasonable but it does seem like some members make every coin bending product an attack on QB3 which must be defended. It feels a little desperate. For the record I have a QB3 and I love it. I only bend quarters. I have CV2 as well and feel it is a reasonable product but prefer the QB3
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
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On Sep 11, 2016, kissdadookie wrote: I didn't say that, but otherwise, the coins are not hold into place when I exert lot of pressure to bend "strong" coins such as 10 and 20 euro cts. It's not an obligation to have ferro*******c coins. But it's a hindrance otherwise, as it doesn't feel comfortable. Again, it's not a problem if coins are easy to bend, since the bend in this case happens in a flash. Quote:
On Sep 11, 2016, kissdadookie wrote: That's curious. For me I felt that QB3 had a little bit more "power" than CV3 (it may be that the pivoting system helped a little bit). And the coin is hold in place when I try to bend "strong" coins like 10 or 20 cts. Not with CV3. But maybe it's just me. Quote:
On Sep 11, 2016, Xcath1 wrote: I feel this way, especially about saysold1. I like his posts, generally, but in this thread, he was being overly agressive, hostile. I don't know why, but that's annoying. And some other people as well. I hope everyone will stay civilized and wait for the new demo that Ben Williams is preparing. I want to be honest though. I'm interested in knowing more about Hercules, but that doesn't necessarily mean I will give up on QB3 and purchase Hercules. It's so well disguised and so comfortable to use that I want to "practice" my strength. Some people in the QB3 thread said that with enough practice, bending heavy coins becomes easier and easier over time. So I will see. If really I can't bend the coins I want, even with practice, I may consider purchasing some alternatives, e.g., Hercules. On the condition, again, that the gimmick is well disguised, easy to handle, without taking too much pocket space. At this moment QB3 is the king. But improvement is always possible. |
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JackMagic Inner circle 1982 Posts |
At the end of the day with QB you know what you are getting for hard earned cash
anyone that wants to spend £75 for unknown item has money to burn Unless a proper demo is shown I am out ! |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Improvement is always possible mh 1001 - not through a name, magic or hype, but through better engineering.
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
Anyone struggling to bend U.K. Coins should check out the bags of coins Propdog sells. No exertion needed and the coins can be given away after like usual.
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Karl M Inner circle 1276 Posts |
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On Sep 13, 2016, Sean Giles wrote: Good tip that havent seen it before thanks mate |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
I've been popping back and forth to check what is being said here and some of it is shocking tbh. I have only ever used QB, not QB2 or QB3. That being said, for me personally I prefer using CV3. QB3 is $350 (approx £265) and is a single unit bending device. Hercules is £75 (approx $98) but uses 2 devices to bend. No one can ever definitively say which is the best version on the market as it all comes down to personal preference and performing style.
Whilst I see a lot of garbage released into the magic world which are just crap variations on other tricks, no one knows enough about this one yet to fairly comment. Yes it is another variation to the coin bend, if it suited my performing style or environments more than QB3 and it is less than a third of the price which it is, then I don't see the issues. I agree a demo would be great, but there are also many tricks that a lot of people including myself have bought that either don't have demos or have misleading demos, some people in this industry can't win! (Unless they release the explanation free to everyone). The fact that there are QB2's and QB3's on the market being sold second hand, same as a host of other coin benders, shows that not all tricks are for everyone. One mans trash is another mans treasure as they say. Give the product a break and let's wait for it to be released and allow those that are brave enough to pre-order and receive theirs to come on here and let us all know their opinion before slating everything they can about it. |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
I googled Quantum Bender to see a demo and all you get is John showing bent coins. No sharpie at all. Can't tell from that what is happening. Unfortunately you also get a hundred images of chinese knock offs showing QB in action.
It would help if someone wrote a good review of Hercules vs other benders. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Here is a video of ME using QB3 - no cuts:
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