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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
Hello all,
I am curious about sources on the Shank Shuffle. I know that there was a booklet that Marlo had written on this sleight, but I don't think it's available anymore. I know that there are a million sources available on the Zarrow, I have several books that deal with the Zarrow, but I'm curious about the Shank Shuffle (so no need to recommend the Zarrow on this post). Thanks, Scafidi (TJ)
tjo'
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
See Allan Ackerman's Advanced Card Control video, vol. 5 (Shuffle Work).
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
Thanks!
Mr Molinari, if you read this, would you be able to comment on the availability of the Marlo pamphlet? I know you know all about Marlo's writings from your website. thanks, Scafidi
tjo'
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cybercardmagic Regular user germany,berlin 126 Posts |
Hi scafidi7,
You can search on the website from Mr. Molinari: http://www.jimmycards.com Marlo, Marlo in Print You will find two resources. The Last Hierophant and The Shank Shuffle. Hope this will help. cybercardmagic |
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cgscpa Elite user Ashton, MD 447 Posts |
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
Thanks, yeah I knew about Jimmy Molinari's Marlo index on his site. I wasn't sure if you could still buy this booklet, but it looks like maybe I could from Denny and Lees. Thanks.
tjo'
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Cameron Roat Special user Michigan 728 Posts |
The 1972 Marlo manuscript is still readily available for around $25.
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
Thanks, Cameron. I think I will check it out.
tjo'
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
The Shank Shuffle Manuscript is not that easy to find, unfortunately. The concept of the Shank is to shuffle the cards back on top of the deck from where the cards came from. There are, however, variants of the shuffle which is in the Shank Shuffle Manuscript. If you are a member of Jon Racherbaumer's website, he has put up the Riffle Shuffle Systems in the Premium Members area. The last item in there is the Shank Shuffle with the Applied Block Transfer, which is two shuffle sequence for retaining full deck control. Anyway, good luck in locating the manuscript.
Best, Trini
Trini Montes
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MField2000 Special user Hastings, East Sussex, England 590 Posts |
The Shank Shuffle book (not booklet) was written by Jon Racherbaumer. There are those (including Richard Kaufman and myself) who say that there is no such thing as a Shank Shuffle.
It seems to us, and many others, that the Shank Shuffle is a Zarrow Shuffle, with some bogus distinctions dreamed up by Marlo so he could lay claim to the technique. Skip the Shank Shuffle book unless (like me) you are a big fan of Marlo and Racherbaumer and hunger for everything they have in print. Matt Field |
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
I found an interesting quote in a Peter Duffie book a few years ago:
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Q: When is a Shank Shuffle not a Shank Shuffle? ;) Euan |
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
LOL! Good one!
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Logan Five Inner circle Northern California 1434 Posts |
I agree with MField 2000. I have Allan Ackerman's Las Vegas Card Magic and his Shank Shuffle sure looks like a Zarrow Shuffle. Then again I could be wrong!!
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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...bogus descriptions dreamed up by Marlo so he could lay claim to the technique... ??? Perhaps you should reread the "Concluding Observations" in The Shank Shuffle pg. 91 Quote:
Marlo further admitted that he did not claim the Shank Shuffle. In fact, the only things Marlo claims are the technical improvements, variations and the application of the Block Transfer Principle to the Shank Shuffle. To skip The Shank Shuffle manuscript, not book, would be limiting your knowledge of the techniques and history of the Riffle Shuffle. I agree with Jon Racherbaumer's concluding remark in the forward to this manuscript: Quote:
At least Riffle Shuffling requires a modicum of skill—nay, a strong measure of skill, separating it from the hands of the "magic for the millions" newcomer. Those aspiring for greater expertise and more importantly, greater magic—this manuscript will be a stimulating preview of things to come. Brian B
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
Isn't there a Frank Shank somewhere in this equation? Is he the originator and not Marlo??
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
Indeed there is a Frank Shank in the equation. Frank was using his shuffle sometime prior to May, 1956. This is when Frank Shank met Herb Zarrow via Ed Marlo in Chicago and these gentleman demonstrated and discussed their respective shuffles.
Unless you believe Marlo to be "bogus" he states in the commentary to The Shank Shuffle: Quote:
...The Shank Shuffle preceded the Zarrow Shuffle by many years. This isn't an important factor since each shuffle is distinctly different. And indeed they are... Brian B
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
Wow there's always something going on here!! Thank you all for the good info.
tjo'
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MField2000 Special user Hastings, East Sussex, England 590 Posts |
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On 2004-03-22 13:33, bblumen wrote: Hi, Brian. I didn't say "descriptions," as you misquoted me. I said "distinctions." The fact that Marlo wasn't claiming anything was because the shuffle was, as you and others have stated, that of Frank Shank. But the so-called block transfer distinctions that Marlo claims were always part of the Zarrow Shuffle. To put the Shank Shuffle into print as something other than what Herb Zarrow invented was simply Marlo at his worst. I am a great admirer of Marlo and Racherbaumer, and I've discussed this with Jon many times. He just grins. Marlo used Jon (in the best sense of that word) to get material into print. Because Marlo wanted to lay claim to the Zarrow technique, he placed a strange emphasis on the block transfer aspects of the shuffle—something Zarrow had already been doing. He thus avoided the argument of who had invented what first and shifted it to who had gotten the block transfer technique into print first (as you know, this was Marlo's ultimate gauge as to who received the credit). For more on this aspect of Marlo, see Dave Solomon's excellent material in Solomon's Mind written by Eugene Burger. I had the opportunity to discuss this with Dave at the recent Second Deal convention in Jacksonville. My feeling is that Jon is sorry he wrote the book. There is some good information in there, as there is in everything Marlo wrote, but, as I stated, I don't think it's worth killing yourself to track it down or paying much money for. Matt Field |
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
I always thought the block transfer ideas were to be attributed to Dr. J Daley. No?
Euan |
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MField2000 Special user Hastings, East Sussex, England 590 Posts |
Yes, Euan, the block transfer techniques are Jacob Daley's, although Marlo tried to get them attributed to himself in his Riffle Shuffle books.
But the techniques as applied to full deck false shuffles are Zarrow's (and Shank and Marlo). But here Zarrow should get the credit, I believe. Matt Field |
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