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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
Regarding the Zarrow Shuffle, my friend Steve Reynolds has some of the best work on it. Also, the Zarrow video/DVD is good. Herb teaches you the correct way of doing it.
Keep the faith, Trini
Trini Montes
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Joncards New user New Orleans, LA 3 Posts |
Oh, my...
Oh, my, my, my... Not THIS topic again? My good friend, Matt, flushed me out... Why? Because "distinctions" are good things and necessary things. First, some clarifications:
JR
Onward,
Jon Racherbaumer |
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
Rockie!
Amazing what it takes to "flush you out", so to speak... Well, you've opened a can of worms—I am VERY interested in the block transfer credits, since I believe you have correctly eliminated Vernon, Daley and Marlo. I can absolutely demonstrate block transfer applications as early as 1929 by Jack McMillen. I can not demostrate any applications prior to that, but I do have letters between Jack and Jud Brown, Bill Larsen, T. Page Wright, and Charlie Nyquist way back then. What info are YOU sitting on there, Rockie? When are you planning to release the Riffle Shuffle work? And can you include the material that Fulves has contributed/edited/published over the years? A complete compendium WOULD be nice... Any "underground" contributions that are not just a re-hash of existing material? From the few guys I know that gamble, I can say that there are some great variations/applications that magicians are not GENERALLY aware of. Any plans to include that type of stuff? The historical perspective will be valuable. Can you talk a bit about how you plan to approach that aspect of the book? Come on Rock, tease us just a bit, won'tcha? By the way, Gibson missed the gambling at the foot of the cross—any chance they were playing cards as well as shooting dice—maybe the "real work" dates back to 33 A.D.? Maybe Gibson missed his really BIG flak shot! Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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Joncards New user New Orleans, LA 3 Posts |
Ya gotta love the tangential ricochet-effect of posted messages. (Good to flush out my old laughing partner, Paul Choose. This, in part, proves that you're still rocking along...which is a good thing.)
Yes, the BIG book on Riffle Shuffles will include EVERYTHING that is out there, including the Fulves R & D. The delay right now is obtaining hard-to-get, old correspondence. The occult (sub rosa) history of magic is often found in unpublished notes, journals, and private correspondence. This stuff is filled with candid disclosures and politically incorrect insights. I want to include this stuff. I even have a letter (to me) from Zarrow regarding the controversy that is quite interesting. As time goes on, I find myself getting more emotionally detached, trying to find a reasonable, reasoning, objective stance; to truly sort out the complicated background of various ideas, principles, and effects. Onward...
Onward,
Jon Racherbaumer |
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
Jon, you devil you!
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The delay right now is obtaining hard-to-get, old correspondence... Is that your way of asking for copies of the correspondence I have? Of course I'd be happy to help in any way I can toward a correct and true recounting of some small part of the history of our mutual interest, card magic! Where should I send it? Quote:
As time goes on, I find myself getting more emotionally detached, trying to find a reasonable, reasoning, objective stance... Pity, that...Takes all the punch out of it Jon and gives us nothing to argue about, or at least a lot less. What fun can that be? You are at your best when arguing vociferously for the "rights" of your subject, Marlo, Fields or whoever, and disputing the opposing side, Fulves, Kaufman, or again, whoever. Especially from an "emotionally attached, unreasonable, unreasoning, and subjective stance..." Looking forward to your continued participation here. It really is great to have you on board. Let's see if there are at least a couple things we can wreak havoc on. There certainly are enough subjects posted and I can think of no better way to wile away the hours as you wait patiently at the mailbox for all the unpublished correspondence on the Rriffle Shuffle that is now winging it's way N'orleansward... Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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MField2000 Special user Hastings, East Sussex, England 590 Posts |
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On 2004-03-25 18:07, Joncards wrote: It's always a pleasure to flush you out, my friend. Glad to see you here. Matt Field |
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Joncards New user New Orleans, LA 3 Posts |
Paul (and anyone else who may care), I did not intend to suggest that I'm going to be avuncular, overly mellow and conciliatory. I will continue to argue my cases; however, I will provide grounds, proof (when possible), and logical argumentation. When that doesn't work, I'll resort to dissing and ranting...
Send any sub rosa stuff to: P.O. Box 741302 New Orleans, LA 70174-1302 Many thanks in advance. I still treasure the other stuff you shared with me, Rezvani, Milkler, et al. Onward... JR
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
Thank God, Rocky, you had me worried! What's a Racherbaumer treatise without some ranting and dissing...
Look for a goodie box in the next week or two, particularly info on the block transfer. McMillen may not have invented it, but he certainly pioneered some of the work. By the way, Dai actually credits a Rising Card method of Jack's with having inspired the Triumph shuffle and he does it on tape for all to see and hear—amazing how many folks "missed" it... Best to you and yours, PSC P.S. Are you still involved in fabric restoration in a peripheral way? I have some books that may be of interest...
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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MField2000 Special user Hastings, East Sussex, England 590 Posts |
First rate stuff from Paul Chosse on the block transfer credit.
Matt Field |
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
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On 2004-03-26 21:59, pchosse wrote: It also inspired his multiple shift |
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invalidity Regular user 170 Posts |
I haven't got access to any books on riffle shuffling at the moment but I'm hoping someone could answer this question I have.
Is there a false table riffle shuffle described in Erdnase? I was watching a video by Dominique Duvivier where he was teaching the Zarrow and he then went on to demonstrate a variation with no top card cover. He credits this to Erdnase, saying it's not the shanks nor is it of Marlo. What to make of this? |
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
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On 2004-04-05 13:15, invalidity wrote: He mentions it briefly if I recall without giving any (or too much) details of the methods.
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
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On 2004-04-03 16:10, Euan wrote: Actually, a different method for the rising cards inspired the multiple shift - the slieght-of-hand methods for the rising card that are Jack's include the Plunger, the most well-known, The Witchcraft Card Rise, and The Voodoo Card Rise. Each is clever, and each uses a completely different method to effect the rise. And, as Euan noted, one of them inspired the Vernon Multiple Shift, and another inspired the Triumph Shuffle. The Voodoo Cardrise was re-invented in the nineties and written up in "Spectacle" by Stephen Minch and mis-attributed to Rudy Coby (I think...). It was corrected in an errata slip that was laid into copies as they were shipped. Take a look at the methods for the rising card and you will see the connection/paternity to the Vernon slieghts. The Plunger Card Rise is in many publications, The Witchcraft Card Rise is most accessible in Expert Card Technique, and The Voodoo Card Rise is in the aforementioned "Spectacle". Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
Well I can't see the witchcard rise inspiring a multiple shift, not unless you want to give your cards a really hard time .. Is the Voodoo Card rise the one with the hankerchief?
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Nik_Mikas Regular user Toronto, Ontario, Canada 159 Posts |
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On 2004-04-05 13:15, invalidity wrote: Erdnase describes a method of retaining the top stock while adding one card in the section titled, "Erdnase System of Blind Riffles and Cuts". This is method one, to retain top stock. I believe it was used in a game were one had a partner to work with, the dealer would shuffle the cards in this way and hand them to his partner for a "cut" (really a slip cut). This would reset the stack and make everything look fair. As to wether or not the method is original to Erdnase, we may never know. But my guess is it is not, I don't think it is even a magicians idea. |
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diagonalpalmshift New user New York, NY USA 73 Posts |
The shuffle that Mr. Duvivier was probably referring to can be found in the Legerdemain section of Erdnase under the heading "Blind Shuffles, Retaining Entire Order". Look at the Second and Third methods in particular.
Best, Ricky Smith |
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
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On 2004-04-05 15:53, Euan wrote: No, that's Braue's interpretation of Jack's Plunger Card Rise. The Voodoo Card Rise involves the front, or bottom, depending on your point of view, card of the deck. The selection is returned to the deck and the card is pushed thru as if you are doing the DPS, but at the last moment is squared with the deck. The position is that the selection is now protruding from the rear of the deck for about two thirds of it's length. The right hand comes over the deck from the top/front, fingers going under the deck. The fingers push the bottom card back so that it extends two thirds of its' length to the back, just as the selection does. The right hand, with the fingers underneath and the thumb on the top, turn the deck up, so that the selection and the front card of the deck are even and the deck is covered by the right fingers. The deck is moved in a slight circular motion, and at the same time the front card is drawn downward. The appearance is that the selection is rising! This looks great, but it is, of course, angly. That is the Voodoo Card rise, in a badly described nutshell... Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
Yes.. That's the one Dai Vernon talks about on the revelations taps, except he says you wrap a hankercheif round the deck..
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