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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On Jan 8, 2017, Matthew Crabtree wrote: The trouble with that logic is that you are assuming that if you bought the more expensive coin gaffs or better chips then everything would work perfectly out of the box, and that could very likely not be the case. I originally bought the CS Hyde tape a couple years ago because I had purchased a Johnny Wong DFSTC. I couldn't slide it for the life of me, and sliding is not merely a part of what this gaff is good for, it is ALL it is good for. So if you can't slide it, it's worthless. Many people had the same issue with Wong's coin while many others had no problem with it. I believe it depends primarily on how dry your hands are and mine are very dry. Eric Jones has pretty juicy hands so I believe he honestly never had a bit of a problem with Sucker Punch and it may be the same for Mark Southworth. But what's funny is that I guess because people had spent in the neighborhood of a hundred dollars or more on Wong's DFSTC, they were mostly ecstatic to be able to get their new prop to work with a relatively small investment in the Hyde tape. Which seems odd because you would expect people to be more upset having to spend additional money to fix a prop that they already invested a lot more on than is needed for Sucker Punch. But I guess a lot has to do with the ratio of the cost of the fix to the cost of the prop. But the fact is that I'm sure that many, many people have had absolutely no issues with Sucker Punch and feel it's a tremendous bargain. But I do hope that if they make another run of these they will try to sort out of some of these issues so even fewer people have problems. |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Well Peter Nardi was very excited that they had received new stock but there was no mention of improvements. But then again I don't think it'd be a good idea to mention that fact even if there were as they'd probably receive a boat load of prototype returns.
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schauspieler New user 4 Posts |
Basically, SuckerPunch is a great Pockerchip set. After some practice with the Spli poker chips, however, it is becoming more and more common that the chips are not so easy to separate, but are too much more ad- jacent.
Is there any way to prevent this? |
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schauspieler New user 4 Posts |
Sorry I mean Split Poker chips not Sli Poker chips
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Jan 22, 2017, schauspieler wrote: You obviously haven't taken the time to read this thread, have you? |
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schauspieler New user 4 Posts |
No, 16 pages are too much for me to read. I am German and my English is not perfect. Therefore, the reading is doubly difficult. Can you please give me a tip where I can find something about my problem in the thread?
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 1850 Posts |
Some of us applied teflon tape, covering the chips. Others applied just a regular clear tape.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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Bill Wilson Special user 536 Posts |
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On Jan 22, 2017, schauspieler wrote: For anyone concerned, this is how Sucker Punch should have come 'out of the box' for only an extra few dollars: First Adam Mills provided an excellent down load on these chips a few pages back in this thread. He took out that goofy 'M' on the chip & made the red & blue much more vibrant. Print the download onto self adhesive white vinyl paper. Second remove the old labels off the present chips. They come off easy enough with a razor & a little paint thinner removes any of the old glue. Third get yourself a sheet of this; http://www.topvinylfilms.com/intermediat......e-vinyl/ As you can see it comes in gloss or matte. Obviously it's the matte you want. Fourth get your self or borrow an ek 1&1/2 inch circular hole punch. Of course any brand will do. Cut off a piece of the clear matte vinyl film from its backing (enough to cover a label) & peel off its backing & adhere it to the new vinyl label. Punch through the two of them. Fifth & this is the tricky part. Peel off the paper backing from the vinyl label & stick it onto the black disc. It's hard at first to get them perfectly centered. But it is forgiving. It can be taken off & repositioned until you get it right. I have all of my chips (both sides) & sliders treated this way. Not the []s. I don't use them. As it says regarding the clear film, it is not completely clear. It does have a slight haze but I assure you it's nothing. EZ Rhythm provided me with some of that CS Hyde tape for which I thank him. It works nicely but it does have a slight gloss to it & of course does not cover the entire surface of a side. Maybe I'm just to fussy. Anyway the clear film is totally matte & of course does cover the entire side. My chips look great & work perfectly. Yeah I know, I know it should have come like this to begin with but it didn't. It cost me but it was worth it (IMO). |
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RDeNatale New user 74 Posts |
That vinyl film is interesting.
What I'm planning to do is to print new designs onto printable adhesive paper. I picked some up at Michaels which is for use with the Silhouette cutter. The Silhouette has a feature where you print registration marks which lets the cutter figure out where to cut. I'll get some of the matte vinyl film and laminate it on the printed adhesive paper before I cut, but I'll probably first just try the paper with a protective spray coating. I showed the magnetic SP chips to Danny Garcia and Magick Balay while we were having dinner after Penguin's expo in Charlotte last Saturday. I told them about the friction problem and the magic tape solution. They mentioned the discrepancy in comparison to the look of real clay poker chips. One idea might be to spray the plastic with matte spray before putting the stickers on. Another issue is that real chips are different o the sides so that you can see the color (i.e. the value) of the chips in a stack on the table. Hard to fix this without breaking the illusion of a red and a blue half chip being one chip. Not sure what to do about that, and it's probably not going to be noticed by the layperson anyway. |
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 1850 Posts |
Bill- Great tutorial! That was very generous to type all of that up. No, you are not fussy, the CS Hyde tape was just the 1.0 fix to which you have brought forth Sucker Punch fix 2.0!
RD- I think some are too focused on the chips not looking like usual casino chips. The effects that can be accomplished with them are not taken away by what they look like in this instance. I believe we benefit if we approach the matter with, "Do I want to perform an effect with customary gambling chips or do I want to perform an effect with customized looking chips." If it is more important to use chips that look like the gambling type then there are other options such as sleight of hand with authentic chips or with gaffed sets such as The Ammo by Gary Jones or Poker Face by Pablo Amira. Customizing Sucker Punch can become very entertaining since we can place stickers on them to appear anyway we want such as; fruit, numbers, photos, symbols, etc. This is the greatest advantage of this set.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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Bill Wilson Special user 536 Posts |
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On Jan 24, 2017, RDeNatale wrote: RD I really won't worry about the chips looking like 'real clay poker chips'. Mine look exactly like poker chips. Now I'm not saying clay casino poker chips, I just mean poker chips. In my patter after taking them out I mention there left overs from last nights game. In other words they're a 'home' type poker chip. No one will think any thing of it & no one will ever question the chips. As far as spraying the plastic with matte spray before putting the new stickers on, I must be missing something. What would be the point? |
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iWaifung New user Amsterdam 4 Posts |
To be honest I think that people are defending this product too much. There are just too many cons for this product: the quality is not high enough (rough, unsanded edges, misaligned stickers, lightweight), the gaffs don't seem to last for a long time (sticky s***t coins) and the overall look of the set feels and looks cheap (very thick and obvious [, stickers instead of printing/moulded plastic). For a product that is $40 you'd expect something more than this.
Justifications like 'oh but you can add teflon tape, vinyl stickers, etc. are not valid IMO. Of course it is great that the problems can be fixed for a couple dollars more, but that doesn't make this product any better. What if a deck of gaffed cards would be released, but the cards would all be cut a slightly different size (so still useable, but definitely annoying). I don't think anyone would stand up and say: "Hey but for a couple dollars more you can buy a card sanding machine and solve the problems yourself!!!!" The whole 'you can customize this product, which is great'-thing sounds stupid to me as well. Every poker chip or can be 'customized' with a sticker, I don't get why it suddenly should be a reason to buy this product. Actually the stickers are what makes this product look kind of acceptable, without them this would just be a set of cheap pieces of round plastic. The download is very good though, but not good enough to justify the price of this product. All in all, I'd not recommend this product unless you really like arts and crafts. But if so, I think you'd be able to cut some plastic yourself and 'customize' them with your own, more durable stickers. |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
What if, what if...
I am still using mine exactly as they came, without any difficulties at all. While the magnets might be a bit strong in some, I still think that a lot of people having problems with the magnets are those who haven't used split coins. Most split coins are a bear to slide apart and most coin workers add some Teflon or Mousetape or similar products to make them slide easier. And I never hear any of them complain once they do so. Jim |
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On The Offbeat Loyal user 287 Posts |
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On Jan 27, 2017, iWaifung wrote: I thought that you actually got a LOT for $40. But maybe I'm just too used to buying Morgan gaffs. |
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Bill Wilson Special user 536 Posts |
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On Jan 27, 2017, On The Offbeat wrote: No kidding, you do get a lot for $40. Prices are high with anything these days. Something exclusive like magic is always bound to be more. $40 for S.P. is a pretty good deal. As far as making your own, not impossible but good luck. |
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Matthew Crabtree Special user 611 Posts |
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On Jan 27, 2017, Bill Wilson wrote: It is possible. They are TONS of howtos out there on making clay chips on making silicon molds. You get better quality stuff and not spending another $40 on top of the $40 purchase price to make them workable.
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Bill Wilson Special user 536 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2017, Matthew Crabtree wrote: Sure you can make your own (maybe) but lets not forget that a person's time should be worth something. |
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JackMagic Inner circle 1982 Posts |
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On Jan 8, 2017, pegasus wrote: Remember Peter Nardi is a dealer first and foremost Unlike other review shows everything on his blog is great Not one item he sells via his blog has never hit the mark and as That why most of what he says should be taken with a pinch of salt |
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 1850 Posts |
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On Jan 27, 2017, iWaifung wrote: What other poker chip gaff can be customized? With this set I could print out football team stickers, place them on the chips, then attend a Super Bowl party performing various entertaining effects. Performing at a birthday party- Place photo's of the birthday honoree, friends or family on the chips and perform a comedic or adventurous routine with them. Obtain some of these and place stickers on them for give-aways. Bulk amounts at lower cost per chip are available out there.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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Matthew Crabtree Special user 611 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2017, EZrhythm wrote: The Tango set that are the slandered looking clay chips. Get your sticker and place it where casinos place their logos.
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