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I'm very curious about a technique called slick sleeve. I haven't seen any posts related to this topic so I wonder if this is something that nobody uses anymore.
On the other hand, there are some hustlers that offer online tutorials of this technique in China, and the price is not cheap.
I watched Steve Forte's GPS, and he described a mechanic holdout machine. But according to these Chinese hustlers, they don't use any mechanical holdout, they just use sleight of hand, and maybe a piece of sleeve inserts (I believe it's made of some kind of silk from the video he showed).
I purchased Jerry Andrus card control books since Denis Behr's website says there are quite a few sleeving techniques in it. But none of them is close to what I saw from the Chinese hustler's demo.
Thank you all.
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The Slick Sleeve is a real technique that uses sleight of hand in conjunction with a specially constructed sleeve. It is used by professionals and really not something most of the magician/demo crowd is conversant with.

The Jerry Andrus book discusses sleeving "magician style," using a normal sleeve but it is not even close to a real slick sleeve or slick sleeve technique. You don't see a slick sleeve discussion here because it is not really a magician/demo type move but something used by professionals. It replaces a holdout machine and is much safer to use. However, a slick sleeve requires wearing a jacket, much like a holdout machine. It is really not something for newbies or people just learning about basic moves like bottoms, seconds and so forth.

I learned how to construct a slick sleeve and the moves for it from an old hustler many years ago. It worked very nicely. If you PM me with the website you are referring to, I will PM you back with some further info as to if this website is trying to scam you or if it is the real deal.
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Tony Giorgio's dvd as I recall goes into it.
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Tony Giorgio's dvd as I recall goes into it.


I have Giorgio's DVD and he does not cover or mention the slick sleeve on the DVD but I have no doubt he was quite knowledgeable about this gimmick.

It is an old gaff and as good today as it ever was back in the day.
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I may be confusing it with something else; roughly we are speaking about a concealed mohair sleeve?
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Very roughly. I'll leave it at that.
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I have that on a DVD and I will leave at it that.
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I have that on a DVD and I will leave at it that.


Hi Tommy:
Thanks for replying the post. Would you mind letting me know if it's an accessible DVD on the market or it's a self-made one for private archive?
thanks a lot.
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What we have is private. Perhaps you might ask Steve Yule at the Café; his friend, the late Paul Chose was an expert on this and the technique.
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Is what you are talking about different from the sleeve modification described by maskelyne or rather a further development of it?
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Is what you are talking about different from the sleeve modification described by maskelyne or rather a further development of it?


I would say different. More like a machine holdout without the machine.

Also, looking through Sharps and Flats, in my opinion this book is one of the finest and most complete books ever written on gambling ploys and cheating. Personally I think it dwarfs EATCT by Erdnase. Sharps and Flats puts manipulation in its proper perspective as a lower order of practical chicanery. Erdnase does have good comments on the philosophy of card hustling in the beginning of the book which is timeless (although incorrect in some areas), and its primary value is it describes many "moves" in great detail. How practical many of these moves were, compared to other methods in use at the time of its publication, is subject to debate.
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Try Steve Forte's poker protection book or how to cheat at cards by Livingstone perhaps.
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Simon, this is my rough idea to shoot the card toward the sleeve. Please forgive the webcam quality, but since I've just messed around with that for only 30 minutes I think it's more than enough to illustrate a brief method. I don't know how close it could be to the one you showed, but it's the best I could think of with the angles of the other video.

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@ Marco

That looks good to me. Except it looks like the card is propelled with an angle with your arm, it may not enter the sleeve smoothly. Just my intuition.
Did you tray with a sleeve yet? maybe find a jacket with a large sleeve to try it. I will post a picture of the sleeve inserts soon.
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Well with some practice I think the shot can be more controlled. The sleeve shold be close enough to assure even a bad shot could insert into the sleeve (theoretically, I haven't tried yet). I have thought of a two handed method when shuffling the hole cards with the other hand, that is more accurate and better guided along the sleeve.
The problem is I have no idea of how the sleeve is done, and if those kind of card shots are actually part of the proper technique.
I hope I can give some help anyway, I admit my lack of knowledge in that artifice.
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Here is a picture of sleeve insert. the card would slide right in.

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It's such a pain to attach pictures. hope the forum can improve the capability to upload pictures.
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It's such a pain to attach pictures. hope the forum can improve the capability to upload pictures.


Try contacting the admin on that problem.
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Years ago I personally knew a professional hustler who used a holdout machine for blackjack casino play and for poker. It was a Martin Hip Spread and I ended up purchasing the machine from him because I wanted to have one at that time. When you sat at the table, you had to reach down to hook up the machine for it to work, so you were really "strapped up." He eventually abandoned the holdout machine for a slick sleeve because as he said to me, "If you get heat and have to leave the game quickly, when hooked up you cannot even run." Funny...but he was serious.

He subsequently taught me how to make the type slick sleeve that he used, which is different from that which is shown and far superior in my opinion, and the moves to propel the card from the sleeve to the hand and vice versa, both for one and two handed moves.

I know for 99%+ people on this BB, this is all fun and games and they would never have the skill, courage or desire to try to cheat a serious money game, but consider how dangerous it is to use machine holdouts, slick sleeves and bean shooters. First of all, they take quite a bit of practice to master and considerable skill and courage to use under fire. Not on the kitchen table, mind you, but under fire in money games against watchful opponents who would show no mercy if they caught you cheating with one of these devices. And keep in mind, if caught you have no outs with these contraptions.

However, back in the day a hustler told me a story about a machine man who was caught in one of the California card rooms. He tried to claim to security that he was a paraplegic and the machine was a medical contrivance. Evidently security did not believe him and beat the hell out of him and broke up his machine before they threw him out of the club with the admonition never to return.

Well, that is the story anyway but back in the day you could get beaten up badly by security. It is not like today where they can arrest you and you can be convicted and incarcerated, but have to be very careful about beating you up because they can be sued.

I recall that in one strip hotel in Vegas, if suspected of cheating in the casino, three or four security guards would take you into the elevator and ride you up to the top floor and back down again. By the time you got back to the bottom floor, you were lucky if you could still walk. Interestingly, they loved doing this because it was a lot of fun for them and they felt it was justified.

Go figure...
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Talking about being caught cheating, here are two videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6EaCvq8uVM
They are playing majiang, a game that is at least equally popular as poker in China. The couple in the video is wearing contact to see the marks. Not sure what happened to them later.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9_QEqRTyQ
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