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BlindWizard
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Where could one read about and learn the Elmsley count?
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The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley Vol 1. can be found as an inexpensive PDF on http://llepub.com/index.php?main_page=in......a&page=5 You will also learn his "Four Card Trick" which was the effect that he invented the "Ghost Count" for, (later to be known as the "Elmsley Count").

right now it is on sale (as are all ebooks and downloads on the site @ 50% off) For that price you may has well pick up Vol 2 also as they are both great books. Over the last few years, I have managed to pick up most of the books on the site (there are 55 total right now) and I got them all on sale at one time or another. Since I saw you mention that you are legally blind in another post, I will mention that some PDF readers also offer a text to speech option that you may find helpful.

Barring getting the info "direct from the source" with all the history of it, there are numerous Packet effects and dvds that cover the count as well as it's many variations.

One excellent source (for that as well as others) is Jerry Mentzer's "Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subtleties" http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S4837
and as for a dvd, BBM has one called "The Elmsley Count Project" 2 disc set http://themagicwarehouse.com/DA7217/The-......odcUUJFg

Only a couple examples here though there are very numerous sources out there. These are just the "Top 3" in my opinion with a quick link to get them online. You may find them elsewhere but the pricing in the links is about average. Smile
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Card College 2 has plenty of sources of false counts included a detailed teaching on the Elmsley.
The CC is a must have for any serious magic card student in my opinion.
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I would also highly recommend card college too. However, poof-daddy's link/suggestion to the PDF might be all that you seek.
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On Nov 8, 2016, MarcoLostSomething wrote:
Card College 2 has plenty of sources of false counts included a detailed teaching on the Elmsley.
The CC is a must have for any serious magic card student in my opinion.


Agreed, the first two volumes are required reading for the neophyte.
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Thanks for the resources Poof-Daddy! The Elmsley Count Project looks good, but I'm undecided on what to get. It looks and sounds very comprehensive but it is $35 and I don't have a lot of extra time at the moment to devote to mastering all the stuff that is advertised on the DVD. But, having said that, maybe I DO need it, lol !!!!

I can get the collected works of Elmsley now for 70% off. and the "Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subtleties" is only about $8.00 discounted. I can get the "count" chapter of Card College 2 for $6.00 at lybrary.com

Trying to be economical, as I'm on a budget, lol. Don't want to buy everything and get nickeled and dimed to death, as they say . I bought the video of "Advanced card control" for the Elmsley count and it was worthless !

In sum , all I want to master >> at the moment << is the Elmsley count.

Woe is me! decisions, decisions.... maybe I should pick a random card and use it to select the resources! or roll a die Smile
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In my humble opinion, The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley are an absolute must in any magic collection. There is soooo much incredible material in the books that I can just return to them over and over again - they are my pride and joy. Alex was a genius
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On Dec 5, 2017, Jupiter47 wrote:
In my humble opinion, The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley are an absolute must in any magic collection. There is soooo much incredible material in the books that I can just return to them over and over again - they are my pride and joy. Alex was a genius


Co-sign.

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Thanks Jupiter and Mike! Just bought the Collected Works!
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Didn't he originally call it the Ghost Count? That sounds much cooler
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On Nov 8, 2016, MarcoLostSomething wrote:
Card College 2 has plenty of sources of false counts included a detailed teaching on the Elmsley.
The CC is a must have for any serious magic card student in my opinion.


What he said.
Regards,

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On Nov 8, 2016, MarcoLostSomething wrote:
Card College 2 has plenty of sources of false counts included a detailed teaching on the Elmsley.
The CC is a must have for any serious magic card student in my opinion.


What he said.


Thanks for the recs.

Since I'm on a budget and only want to study the counts at the moment it seems I should also get chapter 20 "False Display Counts" of CC #2 at lybrary.com.
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Yes, he did name it the Ghost Count but it didn't stick.

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Picked up the collected works of Elmsley and Chapter 20 of Card College Vol. 2... A big help. Thanks again to all for their input.

As a side note. This is sad and funny! And an odd discovery concerning the "blue deck" (Packet Killer).

So after getting the above books I decide to practice with a Joker and the 3 blue back BF cards from the "Blue Deck." Suddenly I'm all thumbs! What gives? Since I'm just learning the count I say its got to be me and I've practiced too long. I gave it a rest. Next day I try again. Same thing ! Really discouraged I investigate to see if the cards have picked up sludge off my deck top making them sticking. I see nothing. Well to make a long story short I finally realize those 3 BF blue rider backs have been r**gh*d ! You think I would detect that a lot sooner! (But I haven't otherwise touched such since my recent return to magic, I guess I had forgotten the feel of those) I don't recall that the blue deck description gave an indication about those 3 gaff cards. Anyway went back to three regular bikes and all is much better! Still have a way to go on my rhythm and the last part of the count.
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LOL
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Whatever you do, just don't do it from the pinch grip. Learn to do it from a normal dealing grip with a fine(ish) brief.
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I never understood why so many books describe doing counts from a pinch grip. It just looks so ridiculous and unnatural.
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Because that’s how Vernon originally described it for Twisting the Aces (it’s the grip the packet fell into after the eponymous twist). And most magicians lack the analytical wherewithal to depart from that notion.
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Which is arguably one of the worst tricks you can do with the count!
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Whatever you do, just don't do it from the pinch grip. Learn to do it from a normal dealing grip with a fine(ish) brief.


I'm following the video in Card College. Correct?
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