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I came across this demo of tabled 2nd drawing technique and thought it is interesting. Hope you find it interesting as well. In China, in many cases, cards are shuffled and cut and placed on the table for the players to draw in turn intead of being dealt.
Thank you guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0V6Uq7f5EM
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Nice one. Thank you for sharing.
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Great! In card games like Gin though the deck is spread.
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Glad yall also find it interesting.
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Steve Forte demonstrated a technique to peek the second card for gin rummy where the deck is placed in two piles in a tray. I wonder if this is applicable in that situation if it can be executed smoothly longitudinally.
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Very good! I liked it!
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Nice one. As tommy says, normally we spread the cards to avoid that type of manoeuvre.
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That's crazy. Thanks for sharing.
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It might be useful for a table deal, which is often that which we use in high stakes cash poker games over here. I think it is explained in Ed Marlo’s book? I can not recall the Forte demo.
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I just found the same technique demonstrated from a different angle. It's from a Chinese website. It still looks pretty good. Hope yall like it.
http://www.meipai.com/media/605416355

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what Steve Forte demonstrated was that he lifted two cards by one end as if he was about to draw one card, and he peeked at the second card then drew the top card and left the second card behind. Then the second card was drawn by the other player.
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Very nice move.
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That looks great, thanks for the video!
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I'm very glad yall like it.
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Ho, ho, ho...Is what you see what you get???
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In the first video, without the top card turned face up, It's impossible to tell if that guy is taking the second card or if he's taking 2 at once and just has an extra 10S.

Couldn't watch the 2nd video because it apparently needs Flash which is disabled on my computer.

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If I remember correctly then the guy in the video is the same guy that had a video of a "center steal" uploaded. Atleast with that video I'm very certain that it was faked (I'd love to be proven wrong though).

The one posted in this thread however looks plausible to me although I agree with JasonEngland that it would be quite easy to fake this one as well.
I tried it a couple times as shown in the video and I can see it work.
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There are a couple of methods for Tabled Second Deals in Ed Marlo’s book. Because we use table deals here I played around with all the table deals in it. As I recall I never found any of them really practical. However, having seen that demo, I think I will go back and have another think. In table deal the cards are not taken sideways mind you but taken long-ways from the narrow end.
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My cryptic post above was designed to get the members thinking since many were marveling at this great move. Asking if "what you see is what you get" means...it is a magic trick not a second deal.

Jason got it. Double on first card and a duplicate card further down in the deck. The second video which Jason did not have access to makes it even more clear this is not a second deal, but a magic trick. Might make a good pseudo demo though.

Besides, aside from marveling at this "fantastic" move, has anyone tried to do this and duplicate legitimately what is being shown, pulling the second out and up at an angle as shown without the top card moving to some degree. Jason, JoeyFX and AMcD are two very skillfull card handlers who make videos of their work. I am sure they tried to do this, because I have, and can they duplicate this as shown?

As I said above, "Ho, ho, ho."

Of course, I could be wrong and "hope springs eternal." Smile

Incidentally, the two tabled seconds in Marlo's book use two hands and are quite different than the apparent second shown in this video.
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@Jason @Cagliostro

Your suspicion is absolutely legit. I never thought of that. Unfortunately I don't have contact info of the demonstrator to have him do it with first card face up. I downloaded the videos to my phone and checked frame by frame, but the fps is too low to capture moment where he flips the card. He used bridge size cards. Does it make it possible?

I downloaded the second video and put it on youtube so Jason can watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRE_C8UuMvg

Thank yall for the discussion though.
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I'm inclined to think it's fake now, but still unsure. I did try it with bicycle cards; I could flip the second card out but with quite a bit fumbling and mess. Well there aren't many moves you can do it right without lots of practice. IF this is a real technique, it must be one of those moves that do require practice.
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On Nov 30, 2016, SimonCard wrote:
I'm inclined to think it's fake now, but still unsure...


Of course, one cannot be 100% sure this is a card trick and not a second deal unless, as Jason said, the top card is kept face up during the deal. Videos lose a lot of visual integrity when viewing over the internet. However, I would bet money it is a card trick with 99% plus chance of winning the bet.

Maybe one of our super star demonstrators can accomplish this and post a video, although I will not hold my breath waiting for this to happen. But, as I said, "hope springs eternal." (C'mon Joey, Jason and
AMcD. If anyone can do it, these guys can.) Smile

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Well there aren't many moves you can do it right without lots of practice. IF this is a real technique, it must be one of those moves that do require practice.


All moves require practice. Even a move as simple as Richard Marcus' "Savannah" move requires practice, although more on timing and grift sense as opposed to skill.
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