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Prove it.
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Focusing on the lower right corner (viewer's perspective), I can see that corner sweeping across the width of the deck, it shouldn't if the second card was taken. and I still can't see the moment when the second card is slipped below the top card with frame by frame analysis.
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It's because I do the move very very fast. I'm so good.

The video is 30fps. But I go much faster, that's why you don't see it. I'm AMcD, don't forget.
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Arnold proved the point of how easy it is to fake it. He didn't have to do anything fancy, he just cut the video on the square up action. Do I get a cookie ? Smile
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@dapo

Yep, all happened during the squaring action.

In fact I deleted 2 frames -ON PURPOSE- before the end of the squaring action. That way, there is a tiny flaw which you can notice/detect. Otherwise, you would see... absolutely nothing, the scene would run 100% smoothly! Yet, there is an awful work done during the deleted sequence, trust me Smile.

It's easy to fake a video, and those Asians fake a lot of them! There are also very skilled Asians too, don't get me wrong. But, usually, skilled people don't use 320x240 resolution videos or frame rates coming from dinosaur times...
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Arnold, you just blow me away faking this video...an example of what can be done.

Thanks for the example of one way of doing this.To someone who is not a tech guy like me, this is a real eye opener. And all you have to do is cut the video on the square up...Nice.

"You are da man"!!!

No need to learn moves anymore---just fake the videos. Smile
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It's a lot of dirty work in fact. Same than the video I showed yesterday.

- I put one Joker at position 1 and 5. Both joker have the same white border size, otherwise I would have to tamper that after and I don't have time for it!
- I stop my hands at the beginning of the squaring action.
- A lovely lady (scantily clad) removes the Joker.
- I deal 3 top cards, very fast.
- I show the Joker initially put at 5th position.
- I remove the lovely lady part.
- I remove 2 frames before the end of the squaring action, in order to leave a flaw that you can notice after 2 or 3 viewings (check my right pinky).
- I speed up the deals, then, frame by frame, at 30fps, it's not very easy to understand whether I take #2 card or #1.

All this took 30 min. A professional would use a very different method, but it was fun to do. I mean, just think that, in reality, a woman is removing the card!
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At this point in time, approximately 3 days have passed since SimonCard posted the Asian video of the "tabled second deal."

AMcD posted an edited video showing his fake version of this second deal which looks a lot better than the Asian version.

However, more importantly, we have people on this BB who love to learn and master gambling type moves. At this point, no one has posted he can duplicate this move or stated he has determined its viability. All it takes to do so is to experiment with a deck of cards for about 15 - 30 mins maximum to determine this moves feasibility.

This should have occurred by now if the move is viable. Since this has not occurred, and in light of AMcD's video, is there anyone on this BB who still thinks this move (video) is real and not total BS?
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I think the move is doable. But at that speed and accuracy... I don't know. That's why I'd like a better video. But why he doesn't film another one?
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The last video I shared is not a fake video, just a low quality one.

Fake video: an edited video with camera tricks.
low quality video: a video taken with an ancient camera or a modern camera configured at low fps and resolution.

I don't know why he doesn't take another one. I don't even know the guy. My friend shared it with me.
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@SimonCard "I don't even know the guy" shouldn't go along with "I know it's real, trust me".
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Please check frame by frame and tell me if you can see that moment.
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I tell you guys. Rehashing the video is a cop-out of sorts - no disrespect meant with that comment.

BUT...can any of you guys do this? You guys work on moves - no? You like to practice and master moves - no?

I can do it of sorts. It looks like hell. Sometimes it lands right, but most of the time it doesn't. And, I can't pull out the second card they way he purportedly does. Yes, once in a while it looks okay but most of the time it does not. But it is never really deceptive to a close observer. So, my conclusion is the move is not just a bad move, it is total BS.

What the video shows is irrelevant. All the speculations about the move and assorted comments are irrelevant. What could be, what might be, maybe this, maybe that, etc.

What is relevant...can any you guys who practice moves do it? You should know by now. If no one can, that is all that matters and it speaks volumes about the move.
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Are you kidding? There are very curious frames!!!
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I did practice it and it looks not deceptive at all from the front.
However, my bottom deal after 5 days of practice also looks like crap.
so I don't think I can come to any conclusion after only few days of practice.

I agree that move may not look as deceptive in person as in the video due to the low fps and resolution.
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@Simon...

Here is a very weird sequence:

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The first 4 frames (images #1, #2, #3 and #4 in the top row) follow each other smoothly. The 4 last ones (#5, #6, #7 and #8 in the bottom row), as well. Problem is that those 8 frames are in a row and there is no transitional frame between frame #4 and frame #5! There should be 2 or 3 more pictures. For instance you don't see the top card falling.

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I don't say the move is impossible, read again my comments above. I say that the succession #4/#5 is very weird and, to me, edited. But maybe it's due to a poor frame rate? I doubt though...
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I think frame 4 and 5 make sense, because there should be spring action with both the slipped out second card and falling top card, which should be faster than simply lifting action (1 to 4 frames) and turning action (5-8). I think it's a low fps issue instead of deleting frames issue.
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If it was a frame rate problem, we would see it all along the video, not just there. If you edit my videos frame by frame, you will never see that. And there are also many other discrepancies in that video.

But why not.

Anyway, the only way to be sure is to get a HD version of this move. But I'm afraid we can wait for quite some time...
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@AMcD Do you see now? Image no.2 is transitional frame between frames 4 and 5 that is missing in your post
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