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smikey12000 Regular user 150 Posts |
Any advantage -
Blue vs Red deck To be able to "see" stuff ? |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
Just got this, awesome deck.
Hopefully cheaper refills will be available soon...
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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teevtee Special user 963 Posts |
I have not noticed a real difference in ease of reading between the red and blue. I prefer the blue hust from a general point of view but I think they are similarly easy / difficult to read.
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ArtIn Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On Sep 22, 2017, paperinick wrote: Cheaper refills? I don't think so. It was 15$ before the new release thru murphys. |
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Philippe Special user 771 Posts |
I don't understand this refill thing! What is there to refill? I do have the deck and it is just fabulous but what is a refill?
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eboetcker Regular user Jacksonville, FL 187 Posts |
Just want to say I have been using my deck in FL for about 3 weeks and they still feel great. Like really really great.
It's pretty awesome. You guys gotta get these.
- Erik Casey -
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normative New user 53 Posts |
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On Sep 23, 2017, Philippe wrote: As with a lot of magic tools, what you’re buying with this has both a physical component (the deck) and an information component (the explanation of the marking system and some very well-produced video instruction on effects to perform with it). When the physical component is either used up by the effect or wears out over time, it’s not that uncommon for that component alone to be sold less expensively, without the instruction, for those who’ve already purchased that part. And I too would certainly appreciate that. Even if you’re treating these extremely gently—not using the Butterflies as your standard deck for more manually intensive effects that wear the cards down faster—they’re apt to get pretty beat up after a month or two of regular use. So I’m certainly among those who, having been sold on this as a tool I want to use regularly, would love to be able to purchase bricks at a steep enough discount to make these viable as a default deck to perform with. Ondrej teaches some amazing effects that are almost entirely mental—effects that don’t require any physical sleights. Combining the inherent capabilities of the Butterfly deck with ordinary sleights opens up even greater potential... but realistically, at the current price point, that would mean burning through a $30 deck every few weeks, which adds up awfully quick. |
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Philippe Special user 771 Posts |
Ok, I understand that but refill has always meant, to me, topping up something partially used. Surely now we are referring to replacement. I to would enjoy the opportunity to purchase a brick at special price, nice idea.
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
Well said normative. Refill = replacement deck.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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normative New user 53 Posts |
OK, here’s a presentation for Impossible Divination that I just tried out and liked a lot. Feel free to use it. [I’ll assume someone who knows the Butterfly system and basic basic slights can reconstruct how to do it from this description.] Probably too geeky for a bar crowd, but my day job brings me in contact with the sort of techies and nerds who appreciate this sort of thing.
*** Magicians can’t resist overselling ourselves a little—we love to tell you we’re going to show you something IMPOSSIBLE. But a lot of the stuff we do with cards is only HIGHLY IMPROBABLE, when you really think about it. I mean, maybe the best card trick anyone could do would be if I just said: “THINK OF A CARD” and immediately said [flip the top card of the deck] IS THAT IT? [If yes, feel free to bail here and leave them totally baffled. Otherwise shrug and continue] See, that’s the trouble: It’s a great trick, but it only lands one time in 52. And even if it blows your mind at first, maybe you realize I had a 2% chance of hitting it just by luck. It’s not even THAT improbable, and anyone else who’s watching is going to assume you’re just playing along anyway. Let’s see if we can at least ramp up the improbability. Actually take one this time so everyone else knows you’re not just being nice if I blow it. [Ostentatiously look away; idly shuffle. ]. Happy with that one? You can take a different one or stick with that card; whatever you like. [figure out what to do either way]. Ok, slide that back in wherever, maybe give it a mix yourself to make sure they’re all in random order—otherwise the math gets too complicated. Now, if I wanted to play it safe, I could just do this: [strike a comically dramatic mind reader pose]. Your card is NOT... [cull or otherwise control the three cards matching the value, but not the suit, of the selection to the top or bottom. Or do it earlier while you’re pattering and use it now]. Any of THESE THREE CARDS. [Deal them face down. Mug a little, as though you’ve done a miracle, before noticing they’re underwhelmed.] OK, yeah, not that impressive: 3 out of 52, so about a 6% chance your card is one of those, and a 94% chance my prediction pans out. If I wanted you to be impressed, I’d have to be more specific and say [very clean slow turnovers] that your card wasn’t the [VALUE] of [SUIT]... or the [VALUE] of [SUIT]... or the [VALUE] of [SUIT]... [Beat to let that breathe] See, now THAT’S improbable. The odds of THAT would be... let’s see, 52 factorial over... [look up for a second like you’re calculating this on the fly] about one in 22,100. [Deadpan] The first 21,099 people I showed this to were REALLY unimpressed. [/Deadpan] But now the hard part’s done! Now the odds are only 49 to one against my being able to cut dramatically to the card you DID choose... [Cut dramatically to one below the spec’s card—again make your TADA face for a beat before looking.] Huh. Well, luck was bound to run out eventually. But that’s OK, because that was my whole point at the outset: You shouldn’t settle for a trick that’s just very, very improbable. You deserve to see something [Erdnase/your favorite color change to their actual selection] impossible. Definitely not for every situation or crowd, but plays well with the right audience. Love to hear what other folks are coming up with up with for these decks. |
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magic in mind Special user 851 Posts |
I've ordered a blue pack.Now as I have effects with a mirage bicycle deck etc.Would the audience think it's fishy bringing out such a stark different deck.Or am I being paranoid, justifications???The only thing I can think of is an effect that uses 2 decks red n blue say do as I do.Then put red deck away and continue using the butterfly.
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normative New user 53 Posts |
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On Sep 28, 2017, magic in mind wrote: Ehhh, I wouldn’t do it as part of the same routine for the same people. There are segue effects that could motivate bringjng out a second deck of the same type with different colored backs, but a totally different style of deck is inviting heat on the cards. Whether or not they have any idea what specifically you can do with it, you’re almost inevitably going to create an assumption hat a new deck was brought out because you need that deck to do the trick. It would,’for this reason, be nice to get a couple spares or double backers to make Butterfly gaffes with so you can transpose those effects without burning a real card. |
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
All what you DON'T have to do with the butterfly deck is done here, starting from minute 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ArodxyQFUE
Hands-off ACAAN - freely chosen card and number : http://doriancaudal.wix.com/miracaan
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Fero Loyal user 294 Posts |
Got the deck today and looks wonderful.... a lot of things can be done with it such a powerful tool. But you need to practice a lot to not be caught.
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Neznarf Inner circle NY then AZ now 1840 Posts |
All what you DON'T have to do with the butterfly deck is done here, starting from minute 8 Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ArodxyQFUE Seeing some one else do it is GREAT. Dave will sell a ton of those decks, at the magic counter.
"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain."
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Callisto New user France 66 Posts |
Is it usable for a left handed ?????
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johnstu Regular user London 161 Posts |
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On Sep 30, 2017, Callisto wrote: I'm left handed and I can use them fine. The marking system is just the other way round, (which to be honest seems slightly more intuitive to me) The one thing to note is that the coding for hearts and spades is therefore reversed when considering it “upside-down”, so instead of thinking where the point of each would be, I think of the “bum” of each symbol. |
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magic in mind Special user 851 Posts |
So here's an idea butterfly decks unmarked done by uspcc cheap as normal bycycles.Then I could make my own gaffs.I imagine that would make a ton of money for the creator.
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normative New user 53 Posts |
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On Oct 1, 2017, magic in mind wrote: Realistically, a specialty deck like this is unlikely to be as cheap as normal bikes for economy of scale reasons: Normal bikes are spreading the fixed costs of setting up a print run across millions of decks printed & sold. Though they're so pretty I suppose one could imagine them just being sold as an ordinary deck for a mass market, with the happy side effect of rendering them more familiar to specs. In any event, Ondrej has said he plans to sell unmarked versions, though I think initially they may only be available as part of a bundle with the marked versions. But I'd had the same thought: it would be nice if the deck came with a couple blanks or double-backers, either to use as-is or to split for homebrew gaffs. That'd be one more way to make it viable to use these as one's default deck, rather than having to choose one or the other depending on the effects one wants to do. |
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johnstu Regular user London 161 Posts |
There were unmarked versions sold as part of the indiegogo campaign. I have 3 unmarked decks, (weird thing is though, they're not unmarked, just marked differently)
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