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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
So, I'm just beginning to explore silk work and recognize that there is much to learn. Here's my immediate question. I began by learn Pop Haydn's routine in which he explains that he has a special gimmick made to handle a 24" silk (576 sq. inches). A few weeks later I watched Duane Laflin's DVD which explains that the gimmick he promotes will hold two 18" silks (648 sq. inches). My math would tell me that the Laflin gimmick can easily hold a 24" silk as well as being easier to handle -- no need for the larger gimmick.
I realize that things aren't always so clear cut. Please tell me if I'm correct or missing something important. Thank you, David |
plink Special user 661 Posts |
Investigate the 'palmo', kind of like a giant dye tube.
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chmara Inner circle Tucson, AZ 1911 Posts |
Also check the weight (mome) of the silks each uses. If you are jiust starting in silks (my opinion) is to choiise a mome weight at stick with it for all your props and tricks. Dick Hughes can work witj yopu -- as well as Rice, Laughlin etc. TO me thinner silks wear out faster and look cheezy under stage lighting.
I always used P&A Silks up untik Peter's death -- and still have many of his effects inclusing 60" nig Mis-Made Flags, six foot silks, blendos, etc. and found his silk and props hard to beat.
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara
Commercial Operations, LLC Tucson, AZ C. H. Mara Illusion & Psychic Entertainments |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Yes, a palmo can take a 24" silk, depending on the momme number. But - it is a dye tube, and if you cannot put the silk you want to change color with into the tube, even to begin the change, you will not be able to do the effect.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
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On Dec 12, 2016, plink wrote: IIRC, the late Harold Rice's daughter recently announced that she has sold the last PALMO, and, apparently does not plan to make more.
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote: Aha! I knew there was probably something I hadn't encountered yet. I appreciate the guidance. Thanks, Bill. And thanks others who have added their thoughts. David |
BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
Just to finish the thought if anyone is interested in the problem: using the numbers above because the volume of two cheap 18" silk does feel like it's just about the limit, you'd get only 1/8 of the second silk into the Palmo before you'd need to start extracting the first one. I think an attentive observer would sense something wrong. Thanks again. David
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
The classic CCS, there is only one silk in the gimmick at a time. If you are referring to PoP Haydn's method, and some others that use 2 in the gimmick to eliminate the need for using 2 dye tubes, then you will need either very thin 3 momme silks or 2 dye tubes, or use diagonal cut silks or diamond cut silks.
There is a trade off when size is limited. You can contact Richard Hughes here on the Café or his website. He can make diagonal silks in any color you desire. Myself, I don't care for the Diamond Cut silks, it is a personal thing. I think diagonal silk hangs better. My advice would be to just buy Pop Haydn's gimmick, I think he has a few left, and not planning to have any more made. http://www.popsmagic.com/store/p67/Jim_Riser_Dye_Tube__.html Regular size Palmo has other uses then just the a CC, namely producing a silk. See Rice's Silk King Studios for the booklet, through Thru The Dye Tube for ideas. |
BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
Thanks for the help, Bill. The reference to two silks in the Palmo comes from a routine the Laflin teaches on his DVD in which he rings in a second red one as an extra fooler. That's what got me thinking about the capacity of these things and whether I could go to Pop's routine with a 24" while staying with the smaller gimmick. I wanted to check with the Café' before I invested in larger silks. Because I'm still learning my way, I'm happy enough to stay with 18" silks and a basic routine.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Well, buying sight unseen is always a surprise. If you go with Laflin, then contact them about their silks, they buy import China silks, so they would know if 2 will fit in their Palmo and leave enough room for part of a third.
I can tell you, that I don't believe it will fit 2 - 24" in a regular Palmo ball. Pop was the 1st to make and sell his 24" silks with a large Palmo ball. Many are doing the Billy McComb CCS routine that ends with a half dyed silk of each color, for a comedy ending. If you get the set silks only from Abbott's Magic, you should be able to use 2 in a Palmo, as the ones they sell 18" are thin momme, but look good as well. Most use the Palmo ball with this trick, as the Tape Dye Tube has to be turned over and uses a more angle sensitive steal. Large Tape Dye Tubes are currently difficult to find. Contact Pop Haydn for info on his Dye Tube capacity, he is a member here on the Café and is very helpful. I can't believe he has not seen this forum and rung in. |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Don't forget that you can make your own dyetubes from pill bottles and flesh colored Band-aids. That can cover a lot of "size" problems. It must be magic: good dye tubes are vanishing from the market.
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James Adamson Special user Deatsville - Holtville - Slapout, AL 945 Posts |
Laflin's palmo will hold two 18 inch silks - very tight.
I use his palmo to do a single gimmick half dye to music, not the tradional comedy half dye with two dye tubes. In this instance the first silk that you start with is a diamond due to size limitation and then go on and do the full half dye routine and there is more than enough room for the finger to steal the palmo at the end.
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murf Loyal user San Antonio, TX 264 Posts |
I've started working on Pop's routine with a Duane Laflin palmo and a couple of Bob Sanders' 24 inch diamond cut silks. Everything seems to fit OK, and I've discovered that my hands are probably too small for Pop's oversize palmo.
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James Adamson Special user Deatsville - Holtville - Slapout, AL 945 Posts |
Pop's routine only uses two silks from what I know (if I am wrong correct me - as I have not downloaded his version - but from the full performance video I do not see the need for a 3rd silk) so therefore there is never two full silks in the palmo at the same time, just part of each one. A 24 " silk will fit in the Laflin palmo. I tried it and it works - the silks may be a litlle more crinkled with Laflin's smaller version.
Pop's website state that his Jim Riser version is out of stock.
Be remembered for performing what looks like MAGIC, not skill.
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
So, I've tried a few things and I can pretty much answer my own questions now. A nice 24" silk from Silk King stuffs into the Laflin Palmo very tightly. You can do Pop's routine, but everything goes real slow while you stuff in all that material even when you're stuffing into an empty tube, and much worse when you're making the exchange. (As you predicted, Bill.)
Also, Duane Laflin teaches a single gimmick half-dyed routine with 15" silks (available from Abbott's) on his DVD using his slightly larger palmo. Looks good there. |
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