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Jeff Wassom Elite user 493 Posts |
Thanks for the in depth reviews guys!
Out of curiosity how well do you think this material stands up to repeat viewings? I like the re-framing ideas in theory, but what I actually USE for star sign divination is the classic, battle hardened an*gram. |
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MadisonH Inner circle 1752 Posts |
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On Jan 16, 2017, Jeff Wassom wrote: None of it really works for repeat viewings. But why should it? You shouldn't perform any of these multiple times. I don't have anything against anagrams. But this technique gets you to the same place you end up with anagrams but without the process. Plus it doesn't feel like a guessing game which anagrams can sometimes feel like. I mainly like this technique because you get their star sign without them knowing that you are even trying to get their star sign. It is information you store away and then use later on after a couple of other effects to really hit them out of the blue. You can't really do that effectively with an anagram. |
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Jeff Wassom Elite user 493 Posts |
Thanks for the reply Madison.
I train at a martial arts school so probably have a larger sized, more revolving audience than the average hobbyist, but people can sometimes still see an effect 2-3 times. The idea of getting and storing information definitely works in this context though, so the star sign divination might be something to consider... Cheers and thanks again for your thoughts. |
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MadisonH Inner circle 1752 Posts |
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On Jan 16, 2017, Jeff Wassom wrote: No problem! Glad I could help. Madison |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Jan 16, 2017, Jeff Wassom wrote: 1) Repeat viewings by the same audience is not a wise idea for some of this stuff. This is due to them being very heavily script dependent and thus you are opening yourself up for the audience picking up on the secrets in the scripting. 2) The re-frame for the star sign divination in Second Coming is not heavily reliant on the re-frame. It's more reliant on contextual framing from the beginning of the effect + built in time misdirection. |
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MadisonH Inner circle 1752 Posts |
That's a great point about the star sign divination which I hadn't really thought about until you pointed it out.
There really is no reframe in the star sign divination. Rather, a conceptual shift which takes the focus away from the true reason the performer does the things he/she does. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I gave the name guess a go today. Wow. It's so clean. Wow.
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Raum Loyal user 227 Posts |
I think most of the effects will only work in English, yes?
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Jan 17, 2017, Raum wrote: If the language has a alphabet type system it would work. There's quite a bit in here that isn't language dependent but you would have to translate the scripting to your language. There's a lot more in this book than simply effects. It's filled with a plethora of utility tools/techniques that you could apply to other things after you understand what they are and what they can apply to. Much of this options are actually explicitly explained in the book. |
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Adrien L. Elite user 479 Posts |
Besides the name guess and reverse name guess, nothing in this book is language dependent (and even those are not really language dependent: as kissdadookie said, as long as you have an alphabet to work with, you're good).
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Ross Tayler Regular user Rugby, England 127 Posts |
Thanks to this of you who have given your feedback, it's been an absolute delight to read!
Apologies for not piping up sooner, have been very busy recently and attempting to avoid the internet to the best of my ability. On the questions from Jeff and Raum I'd have to agree with Madison and Adrien, I think that for the majority of routines it would be unwise to repeat them for the same audience within a short time slot, as ambiguities which we wish to appear spontaneous and unique to that performance would be seen to be part of a set sequence and thus established as being methodologically relevant. Imagine, by way of a card-magic parallel, the use of a face-up key card or the "mistake shift"; its not so much that the methods risk being exposed as that the performance would lose the organic and natural nature that makes it a convincing piece of mind reading rather than a logic-puzzle of sorts. Hopefully that offers you some useful insight. As for the language issue, there are perhaps three effects for which this would be a problem, as Adrien mentioned; and in this case it would only be a problem in languages for which the alphabet has no standard collating sequence (as I understand to be the case with Mandarin, although don't quote me on that), however you will have no problems if your language uses an alphabet such as the latin, greek, cyrillic, arabic etc. Again many thanks to those who've given reviews and positive comments so far, Fraser and I are exceptionally proud of Second Coming, and really believe its the best content we're yet to produce together or as individuals. If anyone has any questions do feel free to ask and I'll happily respond, although as stated above I'm not hanging round here all that often, so apologies if that may take a few days. Best wishes, Ross. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Jan 18, 2017, Ross Tayler wrote: Quoting you anyway Mandarin is a dialect of Chinese, it is not a language. Chinese is the language in which there are two character sets, traditional and simplified, they are character sets so there are no alphabet systems for which to form words with. There is a separate phonetic system but what you're essentially doing is brute memorization. #dailydoseofculture |
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Raymond Singson Loyal user 259 Posts |
Does Second Coming come as a PDF in addition to the physical book?
RS.
“The purpose of art is to lay bare the questions which have been hidden by the answers.” -- James Arthur Baldwin
raymond.singson@gmail.com |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Jan 18, 2017, Raymond Singson wrote: Yup. Listed on his site as such. |
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Ross Tayler Regular user Rugby, England 127 Posts |
Haha, thank you kissdadookie.
Knew I was taking a risk! Thanks for correcting me though. Also I'm inclined to suggest that "Daily Dose of Culture" should become a thread on the Café. Shape us all into nice rounded human beings! Thanks also for answering people's questions, you're feeling to be far more useful than me! Best wishes, Ross. |
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Magidoc New user 89 Posts |
Eagerly waiting for the PDF to be sent...
Btw the website says the PDF will be sent within 12 hours of purchase, but I have yet to receive mine. Has anyone else had to wait for longer than the stated time? |
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Ross Tayler Regular user Rugby, England 127 Posts |
Apologies for the delay, Magidoc.
As I understand from Fraser your order came quite late in the evening. As he is a one man operation he's not always able to respond immediately, he needs his beauty sleep after all. Your order is being processed as we speak, we hope you enjoy the material. Best wishes, Ross. |
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Magidoc New user 89 Posts |
Received. Thanks for the quick response, Ross. Just started reading and am liking it so far. I will give a review once I soak up all of the information. I am very excited!
Hope I didn't come across as impatient, I am only a hobbiest and am not used to spending so much for any kind of material. I have a feeling it'll be worth I though. Michael |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Jan 21, 2017, Ross Tayler wrote: Bwah ha ha ha. You're welcome. |
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matthewmello Special user 786 Posts |
I've had Second Coming for about a week, and I've finally been able to finish reading it!
Madison's review was incredibly comprehensive, and I agree with a lot of his thoughts. As with most of their work, Fraser and Ross have used a ton of applied psychology to create these demonstrations. I found myself gaining just as much useful information from the psychology behind the effects, as I did from the effects themselves. "King's Force" was one of the stand-outs from the card section. I really enjoyed the simplicity of it, and the subtle manipulations of the participant. As Madison also mentioned, I loved the logic of naturally eliminating the process behind the name guess. "Pseudo Hellstromism" by Ross Tayler was also really interesting. I had a similar take on the concept in my "State of Mind" book, but Ross really pushed it to the limits, and has made it about as surefire as "muscle reading" can get. If you've enjoyed the previous works of Ross and Fraser, then I'm certain that you'll find a lot of value in Second Coming, and you'll get much use out of the material in their newest offering. They have taken so many of their concepts and have expanded on them in very smart ways, as well as providing us with new ideas and psychological techniques to weave into our prop-less demonstrations. I can't wait to see what you guys come up with next! |
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