If anyone is interested in my notes on the subjects of killing cards and the stripper deck: https://th10111.wordpress.com/2017/01/08......rippers/.

Firstly, it should be said that while my the work focuses on the game of Texas Hold'em, most of the ideas presented are not tried and tested at the card table. Additionally, I should also point out that I am not a performer or demonstrator, to which any of my videos will attest.

The work on killing cards is mostly mathematical, but there is also a spreadsheet which will tell you the card positions that are guaranteed to be killed for a given number of players and a cutting range.

Regarding strippers, I first look at some of the possible combinations of cuts and then the ideas of single sets, multiple sets, common sets and subsets. Then I suggest some of the qualities that one may wish look for when selecting target cards and also suggest a few possible card combinations.

TH

I admire the depth with which you examine those card scenarios that interest you.

Although I've never understood the posting of playing card videos showing anything less than stellar card handling (it tends to diminish your other efforts IMO), you obviously have insight into some aspects of cheating with playing cards, and you have committed a serious amount of time and effort to writing your book.

I've downloaded your book and will definitely enjoy reading it in its entirety. Thanks.

I haven't read the book so far, therefore I won't comment. But if you pull out cards like that in a game, I hope, I really hope, that you have a good life insurance.

I think he covered that Arnold - he notes that "I am not a performer or demonstrator, to which any of my videos will attest".

I think, to be fair, he covered his poor chops with that disclaimer.

Although, as I noted in my post, I too fail to understand folks posting videos that that show poor card handling ... whatever the reason might be for posting them.

OK. My apologies, I didn't mean to be harsh with Mr Hayes, at all.

What do you mean by sets?

Okay, first of all I want to thank TH10111 for posting his theoretical work on this BB and providing a copy of his book free of charge. I downloaded the book and won't have a chance to read and it for a couple of days but it should prove interesting.

Secondly I don't think showing a video to explain a theoretical concept has to be performed skillfully or with consummate skill. There can sometimes be a lot of posturing and pomposity on BB's such as this, and if someone sincerely presents something which may be of benefit to a few open minded members, how he handles cards to explain what he is attempting to convey has absolutely no relevance in my opinion.

Thirdly, I have known a couple of very capable gamblers who have made much more money than most card handlers will ever make in gambling who did not handle cards up to any standard that would pass on this BB, or even close. I would back these guys financially in a card game of their choice in a heartbeat.

Finally, killing cards, with or without strippers can be very effective in many games. Usually it is used by people who play the game extremely well to begin with and they just use these techniques to give them an extra edge, sometimes a significant advantage. The nice thing is they can last forever because there are no "moves" being used and in many instances, detection would be almost impossible. Instead, they are using their brains and cleverness which in my opinion trumps manipulation and gaffs every time.

I may go further with this depending on what I read in the book presented and what the comments are, but poker is not the only game, or even the best game to get an edge with "killing cards."

Thank You TH10111 for sharing. I'll read it with pleasure as soon as I've finished some projects I'm working at the moment.
I gave just a brief look, one thing I can say (and that has nothing to do with the content) is that you could create a less compact layout, so that it will be a more pleasant format. Just a personal stylistic opinion!
Do you use LaTeX as editing software? If you don't, I recommend to take a look at it, it's awesome (and free) for writing articles, expecially scientific ones!

Cag's note about video certainly applies in some situations.

However, in this case the demo on video really didn't expand on the book in any profound manner, and indeed wouldn't be missed if it wasn't there (IMO).
I don't see "posturing and pomposity" anywhere in comments related to poor card handling, especially when the author himself effectively warns folks that's what they're about to watch!

BTW, the first part of the book (as far as I've read) is excellent, some of the thinking is quite deep.
That Mr. Hayes is offering this work gratis to interested parties should be roundly celebrated, and the author offered many thanks.

He's obviously put a lot of work into this material.

Indeed. Thank you Thomas for sharing your work.

I looking forward to reading through it.

Just a note, there is a funny typo on Page 2. I hope you'll leave it that way, but if you make a correction, perhaps it will make the earlier copies more valuable

Firstly, thank you all for the positive comments, they are very encouraging.


Artie:
I chose to include videos for two main reasons; firstly because text alone can be a little dry and seeing something that goes along with what you're reading can make it easier to understand. Secondly, with some techniques I simply want to prove that they are not just theoretical, but that they have the potential to be worked on and improved up to the point that they may be passable in at least the most amateur game out there.
However, I agree that the first video, the P-Stripper Demonstration, adds virtually nothing to the book. Though I think the OP-Strippers Demonstration shows that subsets can be constructed and pulled, which is something I did want to display.


Tommy:
In this context I am referring to sets as the groups of cards that may be stripped. For example, if your deck is set up such that you can strip kings by holding the deck one way and strip queens by holding it in another way, then I would refer to the kings as one set and the queens as a another set.


Cagliostro:
I am a fan of killing cards for the very reason you state; that it requires no moves. But I do also agree that it can be much more effective games other than poker.


Marco:
Thanks for the suggestion, I am aware of LaTeX, but it isn't something I have ever taken the time to really learn how to use, though by all accounts it is worth the effort. I based the format of the manuscript on an existing template from a book printing company, which is probably why it feels a little compact.


TH

Chappy:
Thank you for pointing that out. I am intrigued to go back and find it now

Chappy,
I would love to see someone try that "move" at a card table

Thank you kindly.

OMG... I would never suggest or imply in even my wildest and most bizarre imaginings that there would ever be any posturing or pomposity on this forum. What I said specifically was, "There can sometimes be a lot of pomposity and posturing on BBs such as this," but certainly not specifically on this forum.

So I offer my humblest apologies if my statement gave the slightest inference that pomposity or posturing could ever be associated with this BB, and more specifically, certainly not on this thread.

Ahhhhh, caught you displaying some "posturing" with that last post Cag

I'm kidding, but to be fair, I said I didn't see any posturing or pomposity anywhere in the comments in this thread related to poor card handling.

I didn't (and wouldn't) say there was never any posturing or pomposity in the Gambling Spot, as that would in itself be posturing and pomposity (and also patently untrue).

Although I have not given Killers and Strippers a detailed reading as of yet, although I will, I have perused it initially and have to say that it is excellent in my opinion and while quite theoretical gives some very good ideas as to the possibilities of using these type principles, which are called "location" by gamblers and have been used in various form for years. There is even a calculator to play with various sets of cards removed from play.

Although this concept is described for Texas Hold'em in the book, it can be utilized in many games, including casino card games and in some cases be applied more effectively and simply than in Hold’em.

One of the things I liked was the author was aware and addressed the difficulty in locating the desired cards to be used in Hold'em, something I have mentioned from time to time and which is completely avoided by those demonstrating "gambling" moves and ploys. Further, the concept of not having to nullify the cut using standard techniques is also addressed and something that can be and is effectively employed under fire.

In order to control the cards needed for the different ploys described in this book, strippers are used: convex, concave and negative. Use of strippers are not the only ways to use these techniques nor necessarily the best in many cases, but add to the discussion.

I am not going to make many comments because except for a very few people, interest is lacking on this thread and there is almost no discussion of these concepts on this BB. That actually is good for those who have a need or desire to use similar techniques under fire. It also is understandable because most members on a public BB such as this are not really advantage players or card hustlers and something of this nature is not as much fun or as exciting as watching or discussing how Russian criminals cheat in a prison environment.

Suffice it to say, for the very, very few, similar methods in less complex and theoretical form than described in this book have been and are currently being used in poker, both public and private, casino table games with cards as well as other money card games, and are about as deceptive and effective as one can imagine for getting the money. Further they are much more practical than many of the standard moves and methods that are bandied around and demonstrated on YouTube and BBs such as this because these old ploys are too well known.

However, I would suggest that for those who have a need or desire to go beyond the standard and common gambling ploys, a close reading of this theoretical work would be a benefit as these ideas and concepts can be modified and made more practical and usable for the serious minded. Of course, the second and bottom deal methods described are more for discussion than for practical application. You really don't need any standard moves to effectively use these concepts.

This book is a great starting place to turn on the light in the grey matter between one's ears for the very few.

Thank you very much for sharing your book TH10111.

This is very nice. I like the way you took the time to classify everything relating to your subject. I will definitely read again and take the time too look at this.

Slim

Thanks for sharing the book.

Steve

WOW TH10111, I just downloaded your information....amazing thought process.
Now I have to sit down, read and take the time to comprehend the theory !

I love it ! At first glance, it appears that you have great thinking !

Thank you! Maybe we can expand on the concepts to help you !