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sjrw Special user 571 Posts |
Hey guys,
I'm working on a different presentation for Chad Long's Shuffling Lesson. With this presentation it would be 10x better if I can ensure that the suit order matches between my piles and theirs. So (for example) from left to right from my view: Spectator has - AC, AH, AS, AD and I have - KC, KH, KS, KD Does anyone have any good ideas for how to make that happen? Obviously if we both have the same number of cards left (or a multiple of 4 more/less) then it will automatically match up (if I set up the order to match). But for those cases where the amounts of cards left over don't match then the suit order won't match. I have worked out that if I always have less cards then the participant, then I can watch where their dealing ends and then move all of my cards over so that my last card becomes in the same position as their last card. But that means that I have to adjust the cards before the reveal... I'd like to avoid that if I can. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated! Cheers, Sam |
MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
If you compare where their deal ends to yours you should be able to calculate how to move your piles to correct things.
Then simply pick up a pile and gesture with it as your re-cap what has been done, setting it down in the correct place. At most you will have to move two piles. |
magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
There is a way to end up with the cards matching the way you want.
The way I would do it is I put the Aces in SHCD order and the Kings in DCHS order. I would also be sure that we each have the same number of cards. There are a couple of ways to accomplish this. One way would be to push off two cards at a time placing the cards under each other stating we each get half the deck and count off 26 cards and hand them to the spectator. Go thru the shuffle process after that you go thru the dealing process by having the spectator deal their cards starting from their left as you deal from your left. Once done you turn over your cards showing the Kings and the spectator turns over showing the Aces. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
I've worked out a couple ways, but they require some kind of modification to the effect.
Here's one that doesn't though: In the last phase of the effect where you deal single cards on the four tabled packets, take the opportunity to take a break above the last 4 cards, under cover of "making sure there's enough cards for the last step ..." Ensure as well that you have a few more cards left than your assistant. Start dealing but make sure that your assistant has completed his dealing before you reach your break and make sure to note which packet his last card fell on. Stop dealing when you reached the break and say something like "You're through already? You're fast..." and re-start dealing on the same packet (in your row) matching the one that received your assistant last card. If you want to be subtle about it, get a break above 5 cards instead and adjust the dealing accordingly. |
MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
Claudio's method is very practical. If I'm not mistaken, if you get a break above 5 as he suggests you simply begin your deal on the same position the spectator stopped so no calculation is necessary. (But be sure to taken into account that the spectator may be facing you so left and right might be reversed)
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
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On Jan 23, 2017, MeetMagicMike wrote: Mike, if the Kings and Aces start in the same order, after the spectator's first shuffle the cards will be in reversed order which is necessary for the matching of the suits. If a break above 4 cards is held, then the description I gave in my previous post will work. If a break above 5 cards is held then the performer must start dealing on the packet before the one receiving the spectator's last card. Try it cards in hands and it'll make sense. |
MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
Claudio,
Having the cards come out in the same order depends on how they are initially set and on whether the spectator is sitting opposite you on the table or next to you. It might also depend on the version of the trick you are using. I learned it from the Big Blind Media DVD. In this version, if the Kings and Aces are set in the same order they will remain in the same order throughout all of the dealing but if the spectator is sitting opposite you, they will not match up for that reason. In any case, the performer will need to take cards in hand as you suggest and work out these details for himself. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Mike,
I understand. I assumed the version would be Chad Long's original, I think, (where only the spec's top cards are peeled) and the spectator would be facing the performer as the suits are to be matched. But whatever the handling, it's an easy and impactful effect. As mentioned I have a couple of other handlings |
sjrw Special user 571 Posts |
MeetMagicMike - That's more or less what I was trying to describe in my original post, something I'd like to avoid if possible. I was moving just the top cards though and not the whole packets... Your way would certainly be a lot more casual, but still wouldn't fit with this particular presentation.
magico - I'm using a modified handling of Shuffling Lesson, and I think it would be impossible for us both to end up with the same amount of cards, certainly not without placing a lot of restrictions on the mixing processes. Claudio - Nearly every time I ask for help on here, you provide a great solution. Thanks once again! You'r solution is very practical and perfect for my needs. Very simple too (which suits me!) I'd love to discuss your other handlings too. Please PM me if you if you are happy to discuss them with me. Thank you all, Sam |
MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
I agree Claudio's suggestion is by far the best but wanted to add one more for completeness:
At the end of the effect pick up the top cards of your packet one by one saying "I ended up with these four cards". In the act of picking up those cards you make the necessary adjustment. It could be done by placing the last card on the bottom of the packet rather than the top. Another possibility would be casually cutting the packet as you show that you have four cards. You then reveal the four cards by dealing them face up onto the piles in front of you. Finally, you turn over the top card of the spectator's piles showing the matches. Alternatively, you could pick them up in order and then use bottom deals to correct the order as you place them down face up onto the piles. Hope that makes sense. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
My pleasure, Sam.
I'll try to write up the couple of other solutions I worked out for this effect. Good luck with your presentation and let us know how it goes |
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