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Stephon Johnson Special user Razorback Country 544 Posts |
Eugene Burger's 1-hand fold is from his "card to matchbook" routine. I'm not sure if it's in print, but he used to teach the fold in lectures in 80's. As mentioned earlier in the thread he would fold the card either behind a spectator, or behind himself, or his favorite: Ask the spectator to shuffle, while he crossed his arms to watch the shuffling - folding the card concealed in his armpit! Very easy fold, but different than MCF.
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Sari Atassi New user Syria 50 Posts |
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On Feb 2, 2017, Stephon Johnson wrote: I'll keep searching for Eugene's fold as till now I couldn't find where it was taught or talked about.. It seems an interesting take on folding cards Thanks Steph!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
What about the MF makes you think "behind your back" would be better in any situation?
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Sari Atassi New user Syria 50 Posts |
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On Feb 6, 2017, TheAmbitiousCard wrote: I think it's because most of the times when the MCF is used, it's used when the spectators' are waiting for something.. they're waiting for the effect to happen, even if it's on an off beat Whereas if I palmed the card and fold it behind my back -waiting for them to shuffle the cards apparently- the trick hasn't started yet in their mind and they aren't expecting anything to happen .. But in my mind the advantage of the MCF would be if I wanted to use the card in a routine, then reveal it in an impossible location.. that way the MCF is the only option -I know off- I'm sorry if my points aren't clear :')
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
I kept meaning to get this info for you but kept forgetting.
The Card in matchbox is in "Eugene Burger on Matt Schulien's fabulous card discoveries" The card fold is not explicitly taught (he points you to "Expert Card Technique" and "The Magic of Matt Schulien") however the different hiding places he uses, when to do the fold, and how to practice the fold are all talked about. |
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Sari Atassi New user Syria 50 Posts |
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On Feb 7, 2017, SmileAndNod wrote: I'm familiar with the mechanics of the card fold.. I'm interested in exactly what you mentioned above Thank you for that!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On Feb 6, 2017, Sari Atassi wrote: Then you're not doing a good enough job of crafting your presentation. So work on that. Any a simple line like... "did you put the cap back on the pen?", "who has the pen", "hold the wand by the end... no, the other end", "who can cluck like a chicken?", "would you like to join me on stage? oops, I forgot, no stage?" literally anything that makes sense in the context of your routine will work to cover this move. And be sure to do it slowly and deliberately. No rush needed. "Behind your back" is for hacks. It's a cop out. Would you publish an explanation for your trick with ..."now put the card behind your back and ..." in it? No way. You'll thank me later because you'll learn a ton from making this decision and solving the problem with your words alone. Just relax and do it, man!!!
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Sari Atassi New user Syria 50 Posts |
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On Feb 9, 2017, TheAmbitiousCard wrote: I guess the reason I wasn't trying the MCF in a performance is because I'm kind of a perfectionist.. I hate to get caught or do something wrong :p although I always seem to get the best out of the situiation but still I'm always afraid to make mistakes As for now I'm using a one handed fold under the armpit, it's working nicely I'll try the MCF whenever I can from now on -misdirection is not a problem for me- Thank you so much for your time and advice !
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
I so very strongly disagree with TheAmbitiousCard. The one handed card fold allows for separation of the fold from the deck in terms of attention. The deck is what laymen are watching. Most times I see people do the MCF it's incredibly obvious they are doing something underneath the deck. Of course this can be invisibly with technique and misdirection, but for some people it will be much easier to fold it under the table (as Goshman did) or behind your back or a spectators (as Eugene Burger did)
There is no right way to do things all the time. Different strategies have different pros and cons and should be explored by each magician for his or herself. |
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Jefferson New user 58 Posts |
John Bannon has a fold that is slower than the MCF, but more superior in every other way. It's in Smoke and Mirrors. So much good stuff in that book.
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Sari Atassi New user Syria 50 Posts |
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On Feb 9, 2017, SmileAndNod wrote: I like the idea of folding a card while the cards are in the spectator's hands, It gets you way ahead of them, but I still think the MCF can't be replaced in some routines As Rolyan said above: Quote:
On Feb 2, 2017, Rolyan wrote: I think this is the most important factor.
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Sari Atassi New user Syria 50 Posts |
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On Feb 9, 2017, Jefferson wrote: I'll try to get a hold of the book, As I hear John Bannon's work can't be missed.. Thank you!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On Feb 9, 2017, SmileAndNod wrote: To be honest, I actually disagree with myself... a little, but I wrote it anyway. I stated it strongly because with proper thought you can pull it off easily. And THAT is the best lesson learned possible.... How to get away with things in front of everyone, with no cover, with complete confidence. Also, someone seeing you put your hand behind your back or under your armpit could be just as damaging, because they assume you're doing something. When I do the MF, it's done after the trick is completely over.... or so they think. So it's basically impossible to catch even in broad daylight, surrounded, because there's no heat on me whatsoever. It's all on the spectator taking their seat or receiving a round of applause.
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JG New user 44 Posts |
There are many reasons to dislike any 'move', but being caught isn't really one of them. I agree with TheAmbitiousCard, it's all to do with the routining.
When I perform signed card in card box, they select a card, sign it, lose it in the deck, then I MCF it prior to loading it into the box. The fold is right in the middle of the routine, yet it's never caught. Simply because of the routine and presentation. So if your argument against using it is due to a fear of being caught, then you will learn a huge amount by routining that fear out. I'm not suggesting that you have to use it, but having done so myself for many many years, I know how powerful it can be. So learn a few methods, and let MCF be one of them. Good luck and enjoy the ride.
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RealityOne Loyal user 227 Posts |
For Mercury's Card Fold, you can do it under the guise of handing the deck to a spectator to shuffle or hold.
Bannon's Creased Lightning is in Impossibilia with a version used after the convincing control in Smoke and Mirrors Euguene Burger's palmed card fold also is in Mastering the Art of Magic For another option, check out Vanni Bossi's U.N.T. Card Fold in The Aretalogy of Vanni Bossi. I've been playing with it and it may become my new standby.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On Feb 14, 2017, JG wrote: Well put!
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setsuna83 Regular user 198 Posts |
Hi all does anyone has any tips when performing the mercury fold? Have practice for quite some time but find that I always have the problem of not having the card aligned.
It's either to short on one end or the final fold is too slanted off to one side. |
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Boomer Special user Prosper, TX 666 Posts |
@setsuna83,
You may want to take a look at Perfect Score by Jon Allen or The Bullet by Todd Lamanske Dave |
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
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On Feb 9, 2017, TheAmbitiousCard wrote: A few weeks ago, I was in a VERY famous magic shop and someone demonstrated one of the new card to clear box gimmicks...(which I hate). He did the fold behind his back and since it was only magicians he says..."You know why I never get caught with my Mercury Fold? I do it behind my back!" I told him, "You know why I never get caught with it? I REALLY don't get why people can't do it. But hey.....what do I know, after 20+ years in magic I can't make a pressure fan.....but I'll Mercury Fold circles around anybody. In regards to the Tommy Wonder fold, it is a !@#$% to learn. It's not 1-handed as someone else mentioned, nor is it in 6ths.....it's 3 times folded in 2, which is in 8ths. |
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Zauberman Veteran user 314 Posts |
One of the horrible things with the internet is that there is so much exposure.
I just came across this on YouTube. Here's Tommy Wonders 2 Second Card Fold revealed in his lecture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy6oxAn0BQE It's at around the half hour mark. If you do watch the lecture I think you should buy the DVD download at: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16985 Otherwise don't watch it. . |
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