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Christoph
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Hey guys,

just a quick question...what's the best Card Memory routine besides Bob's version?

Any hints would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Chris
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What is it you want to display?

The "best" is going to be different for each performer. Personally I haven't really seen a card memory routine that did it for me, but I'm working on it myself.
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Christoph
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Thanks for your reply...
Right now, I am actually scanning the market for routines and techniques to find the best to fit my character.

Therefore I would like to get as much Information on this topic as possible...
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If you know a stack then you're ready to go. Bob's is great as it's so theatrical and visual, so strong you can end a show with it.

So my question is, in what situation do you think you want to perform this feat?
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I get that.

Jamie D Grant has Route 52, and I've heard good things about that.
Mnemonica, obviously.
Colin Cloud has one in Divine.

Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.
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Is that in Applesauce?
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I have not seen all or even most on the market, but the method Mark Elsdon uses on The Meridian Techniqur is really good. It allows for a lot more than two people to participate and for the cards to be legitimately shuffled before you start. As a whole deck. The principles are all pretty well known, borrowing from Cassidy and Richardson mostly, but the result is really good. It was my favorite part of that DVD set.

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On Feb 8, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
Is that in Applesauce?


Looks like there is one in Applesauce. I have seen one in his other works. And I swear he just put out something of just this.

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I think that's actually the one I was thinking of when I said Colin Cloud - though Colin does have a memorized card routine as well.
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I second Elsdon, which is really just a slight revision of Cassidy. If you post this downstairs, you could perhaps be a little more specific about your ideal specifications for the effect, and/or we could be a little more specific about the differences of the effects. Cassidy's uses a completely normal deck, which I like, and the method can be even more concealed by a few handling tips I've developed. I actually still think Cassidy's version is a little easier than Elsdon's reworking with principles from Richardson, but to each his own.
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Looch' s Intuitive Aii, Michael Clark's Memory Shuffle and since of today Christoper Rawlin's Pseudo are all very high on my list of card memory routines.
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Bob Cassidy set the reference (especialy for the presentation), Barry Richardson has several good methods for the effect (interesting if you want to minimise the memory work), Michael Weber has also a take on it (similar to Barry Richardson's solution).
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I'm partial to the Michael Weber version which he taught in his lectures a few years back. Another option I sometime use for a different piece (more magicky) is using M*e*on*ca. I'm not a fan of systems such as Route 52, etc. as our audiences don't know the difference and these "system" aren't completely reliable. I've seen the developers of these systems encounter problems in performance and fail miserably. What's your out if you encounter any difficulty? Do it again? If people are paying money to see you perform then any miss/problem needs to be a planned adlib or something that can be easily and quickly resolved.

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Here is a performance of Storm by Patrick Redford that fits the bill:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nif2ydprQK0

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For close up I love my 'Intuitive Aii' routine from SAD, however for stage, I genuinely believe THE best routine of this kind is Barrie Richardson's Quartet
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Marc, thanks for the kind mention.

I'm glad you are enjoying PSEUDO.

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Luke Jermay has one called 49 seconds
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The lovely performance above by Patrick Redford reminded me a bit of Derren Brown's deck memorization, from his show "Trick of the Mind."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJi1TBzuzhs

The overall feel (as well as a brief shot that cuts away quickly), leads me to believe that the method is similar to that of his effect "Plerophoria" from Pure Effect, and also taught on his International Magic Lecture DVD. Plerophoria isn't presented as card memory but rather clairvoyance, but it could easily be sold as card memory as well.

Both Redford and Brown's performances show a different spin on card memory (though I'm fairly certain they employ radically different methods) that is quite interesting to me. Redford's also implanted a lot of false memories that amplified the effect a lot. I find he's especially good at that with his card routines. Lovely.
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I honestly believe that memory effects are some of the most fun and useful demonstrations that you can give. If you can do a solid memory effect, you suddenly double your credibility with everything you are saying or trying to sell.
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The zen Master by Darwin Ortiz.
An amazing routine!
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On Feb 8, 2017, Christoph wrote:
Thanks for your reply...
Right now, I am actually scanning the market for routines and techniques to find the best to fit my character.

Therefore I would like to get as much Information on this topic as possible...

I honestly wonder if threads like this actually hinder more than help.

What we appear to have is someone asking for memorised deck routines, but without explaining his requirements, needs, audience, presentation, knowledge, character etc. Therefore the list becomes nothing more than can be found on any search engine in seconds. Just a list of effects but without any reference to fitting the performance. It can't do, as we don't know what the performance is. Obviously the thread allows us all to show how much we know, but is that really the issue here?

Why not start off by describing exactly what your performance character, and location, and style, and duration, and raison d'etre is. Then certain routines could be recommended, with the reasons why they fit.

Otherwise it comes across as you copping out and letting others do the hard work for you; what surprises me is that so many fall for it.
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Hi guys,

I kind of agree with Rolyan. It seem we are trying to answer a question, without really understanding it.

As a mem deck is a tool like any other, there are also difference in their use.
Added the question how much time will you invest. Can you use it for other tricks?

Having said that I second Mnemonica and throw Simon Aronson in the ring. ;-)

Cheers
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On Mar 21, 2017, Rolyan wrote:

I honestly wonder if threads like this actually hinder more than help.

What we appear to have is someone asking for memorised deck routines, but without explaining his requirements, needs, audience, presentation, knowledge, character etc. Therefore the list becomes nothing more than can be found on any search engine in seconds. Just a list of effects but without any reference to fitting the performance. It can't do, as we don't know what the performance is. Obviously the thread allows us all to show how much we know, but is that really the issue here?

Why not start off by describing exactly what your performance character, and location, and style, and duration, and raison d'etre is. Then certain routines could be recommended, with the reasons why they fit.

Otherwise it comes across as you copping out and letting others do the hard work for you; what surprises me is that so many fall for it.


Most of the time, I'd agree with you, but it seems to me that we already know the basic needs of the performer. A card memory routine is pretty specific, and if the character is performing card memory as such, then implicitly we know that a powerful memory is one of the character's claimed ability's.

I don't think card memory routines differ that much depending on venue, and the duration should be fairly quick for any of them. I guess you could use jumbo cards in a large stage performance, but I've performed memorized decks for very small groups as well as larger groups and didn't see a need to change anything.

It seems like to me digging into a specific performer's character too deeply would actually be us doing all the hard work for the performer. I don't mind casually throwing out a few routine names on the forum, but ask me to recommend a specific card memory routine based on some performer's specific theme, character, etc., and then give reasons for why that routine is better than others--then I'd feel I'm doing the heavy lifting for them indeed!
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On Mar 21, 2017, Rolyan wrote:
I honestly wonder if threads like this actually hinder more than help.


I would disagree even in the general case (routines that are vastly different in close-up and on stage) : such "compilation" threads are great to discover new routines and sometimes hidden gems Smile
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This is a fairly complex question because a card memory routine can vary greatly in terms of authenticity and scale. In terms of authenticity the routine could be more or less real (from display of total genuine memory skill to completely simulated through trickery). In terms of scale the routine could be more or less intimate (for a small group at a table to a large audience of hundreds).

A card memory routine can be:
- Authentic and intimate
- Authentic and large
- Simulated and intimate
- Simulated and large


Each routine is going to have its own set of challenges or advantages. The Cassidy routine is so effective because it doesn't necessarily confine itself to a particular group. It's uses authentic memory skill with just enough trickery to be safe, and it also can be scaled up or down very easily.

I think when considering your character, these dimensions of authenticity and scale will be useful to consider. Also, being able to articulate your needs in this way will allow others to give you more tailored feedback.
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